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B4128

Post by Chris Bertram » Tue Oct 19, 2021 18:29

Venturing to Yardley today, I noticed that a sign on A4040 southbound before the junction with B4128 shows the route into the city as B4128, which is definitely correct, and also shows the route to Garrett's Green, the Meadway, as B4128. This, I suspect, is a signage error as I'm not aware of B4128 being extended to the east, even though it would make eminent sense for it to happen. Has anyone else heard about a change? OS mapping, which is usually quite quick to pick up on these things nowadays seems not to know about it.
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From the SABRE Wiki: A4040 :


The A4040 is the former Birmingham Outer Ring Road. The route is no longer officially considered to be a ring road, but there are still Ring Road signs along its route.

The road is a complete ring (with a few discontinuities at multiplexes) with a short spur at its northwestern corner. For the purposes of this description the road starts at the end of the spur.


The A4040 starts near The Hawthorns on the A41. Only eastbound traffic may join the A4040 whilst the A41 may

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Re: B4128

Post by Chris Bertram » Wed Oct 20, 2021 15:32

So, doing my own digging (and why not?), I find that Birmingham City Council does in fact have a list of classified roads on its public website:

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads ... birmingham

Somewhat puzzlingly, it lists them in order of street name, rather than number. However, it does include the "Un-numbered Classified" roads that are Birmingham's Class III roads.

From this, I find that the following roads are numbered B4128, which I have reordered into logical sequence:

Coventry Road from High Street Deritend to Cattell Road
Cattell Road Whole Length
Bordesley Green Whole Length
Bordesley Green East Whole Length
Meadway Whole Length except for service roads.

So, if the list is accurate, then the sign is correct and all the mapping out there is wrong. However, this now means that B4128 peters out in the middle of nowhere, or to be more precise in Kitts Green at a junction with an "Un-numbered Classified" roads (Mackadown Lane) and two completely unclassified roads (its own extension, East Meadway, and Kitts Green Road). Signage at this junction does not mention the number anywhere.

So, who do we trust? Birmingham City Council, or the Ordnance Survey and other mapping sources including Google Maps and OSM?

I shall update the wiki with this information, it will be left to the reader to decide what the truth is.
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Re: B4128

Post by Truvelo » Wed Oct 20, 2021 21:23

I have never understood why there isn't a continuous B road from Coventry Road/Cattell Road all the way to Coleshill. Meadway is clearly designed for a second carriageway. The city council declared all major routes were to be given a 110' right of way after 1917 hence why all road improvements undertaken after this time allow for a dual carriageway. I suspect the main problem with the B4128-Meadway-B4114 corridor is the three councils it passes through. I'm sure any proposal to upgrade the entire route to a B road, or even renumber it as a single number, would require cooperation of all three authorities.
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Re: B4128

Post by Jonathan B4027 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 08:16

It swaps to Solihull just before Cooks Lane? possibly why it just dies off?
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Re: B4128

Post by Chris Bertram » Fri Oct 22, 2021 13:40

Jonathan B4027 wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 08:16
It swaps to Solihull just before Cooks Lane? possibly why it just dies off?
Possibly, but there's no particularly good reason not to extend it along Cooks Lane all the way to meet up with B4114.
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From the SABRE Wiki: B4114 :

The B4114 stepped up to the plate when two major roads needed renumbering. As the only continuous road from Birmingham to Leicester, it takes the route of the old A47 and A46 (before both were lost to the M6 and M69 respectively). Originally the road was only the short section east of Nuneaton as far as the A46 on Wolvey Heath.


The B4114 starts as a continuation of the A34 in central Birmingham, with a fully grade-separated junction at [[Lancaster

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Re: B4128

Post by Chris Bertram » Fri Oct 22, 2021 13:50

Incidentally, Birmingham's list of classified roads would have us believe that Bordesley Circus, where A45 meets B4128 and A4540 is itself part of A453! This is obvious nonsense - the next nearest bit of A453 is Aldridge Road where that diverges from A34 Walsall Road by Perry Barr station and the One Stop shopping centre, and there seems to be no evidence of it ever continuing south of there. But it does raise the question of how accurate the list is, and where the information is coming from.
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From the SABRE Wiki: A453 :

The A453 is a road in two parts and several sections, ranging from urban to rural trunk.


The road starts at Perry Barr. The A34 being the recommended north-south route in the area, and the A4040 being the recommended east-west route in the area, and the "One-Stop" shopping centre being the most popular in the area, what hope have you got? Somewhere among this lot is the rather complex junction with the A453, which has slips onto the A34 and onto the A34/A4040

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Re: B4128

Post by Micro The Maniac » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:03

Chris Bertram wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 13:50
Incidentally, Birmingham's list of classified roads would have us believe that Bordesley Circus, where A45 meets B4128 and A4540 is itself part of A453! This is obvious nonsense - the next nearest bit of A453 is Aldridge Road where that diverges from A34 Walsall Road by Perry Barr station and the One Stop shopping centre, and there seems to be no evidence of it ever continuing south of there. But it does raise the question of how accurate the list is, and where the information is coming from.
AIUI, local (highway) authorities are under a statutory obligation to maintain their list of roads...

So one would hope that they know the roads that they are responsible for...

From the SABRE Wiki: A453 :

The A453 is a road in two parts and several sections, ranging from urban to rural trunk.


The road starts at Perry Barr. The A34 being the recommended north-south route in the area, and the A4040 being the recommended east-west route in the area, and the "One-Stop" shopping centre being the most popular in the area, what hope have you got? Somewhere among this lot is the rather complex junction with the A453, which has slips onto the A34 and onto the A34/A4040

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