Named junctions - inclusion criteria
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Named junctions - inclusion criteria
It seems clear enough that trunk road junctions are included where a verifiable name exists, however for non-trunk roads, whether primary or non-primary, I'm not quite so sure. I've taken it upon myself to create pages for a few junctions near me that are either a) obviously quite interesting (like Shiney Row Roundabout), b) locally important (like Salterfen Roundabout) or c) well-known and referred to by name locally (like the Board Inn Roundabout). These categories - as well as being invented by me - are clearly subjective; other people might have different views about what's eligible and what isn't. I certainly don't want to clutter up the wiki with junction pages that ought not to be there.
There are plenty of named junctions I could still add to the wiki, but I would like to get a bit more guidance before jumping in and adding a bunch of possibly unnecessary pages. Obviously I'd always make sure that a junction name is attested on at least one ADS or in some sort of official documentation before even thinking of creating a page for it.
What do people with more experience of the wiki think?
From the SABRE Wiki: Shiney Row Roundabout :
Shiney Row Roundabout is a large roundabout in Shiney Row, near Sunderland. It connects the A183 between Sunderland and Chester-le-Street with the A182 dual carriageway through Washington New Town and, when built, was the first at-grade junction on the A182 from its beginning at Havannah Interchange on the A194(M).
The roundabout was opened in December 1975, its construction having required the demolition of two churches, two pubs and several streets
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The inclusion Criteria I have used are as follows:
a) Junctions on Primary Routes - where there is no obvious name, one based on the location has been 'created'. Sometimes these are dubious, and there is a template (Template:Dubious_name) to identify these.
b) Junction on an A road where a name is mentioned on signage, is in common usage locally, or is clearly identifiable on mapping. Also junctions of interest as above.
c) Interesting junction on a B road - whether from an unusual layout, lots of history or on a local distributor / ring road, etc.
I have generally steered clear of Junctions on lesser (C / Unclassified) roads so far, although I know that there are some on the Wiki already for one reason or another.
At the end of the day, one of the golden rules of the Wiki is don't create a page unless you can write an interesting paragraph or more, or think that the subject is interesting enough that someone else will be able to.
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Big and complex.
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I don't see a problem with choosing a local landmark so we can identify it.
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This matches my thoughts, with the critical thing being that you can write at least something about them.c2R wrote:I've a problem with clearly made up names - but don't necessarily think that there should be a restriction on adding pages for junctions that aren't particularly notable, if they have an official or a name in common use or a signed name, and they are either on a main road or have other interesting features about them or have a planned or cancelled project about them.
I've certainly created pages for junctions that are a bit dull but have an official name on signage (such as New Cross Junction), and ones that have a common-use name that doesn't appear on signage (such as Scotlands Island), and even one where an "official" name appeared on temporary roadworks signage only (Bushbury Island).
Historically, we've had a lot of problems with junction pages where people just basically made up a name out of thin air; and couldn't say anything about them. The Roaders' Digest should fundamentally be a good source of facts and information rather than a "well, I kinda made it up". Once we start inventing names for things, then the trustworthyness of the Wiki drops through the floor.
I appreciate the issue where there's interesting things to say about a junction that doesn't exist, or doesn't have an official or common-use name. In this case I'd rather have a clunky obvious name such as "A12345 - B54321 junction" which doesn't claim to be called anything that it isn't.
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From the SABRE Wiki: New Cross Junction :
New Cross Junction is located to the northeast of Wolverhampton city centre. It is a light-controlled T-junction where a spur from A4124 meets the pre-1990s route of the road in order to provide access to the city's largest hospital, New Cross.
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As to junction names, all those included on signs must be included (and all junctions with signed names definitely deserve an article). Names in frequent road-traffic-related local use (e.g. in media traffic reports, planning notices and other regulations), even if not signed on the ground, should also be included where known -- and in such cases it is good if the article text can include an explanation of the derivation of the name where it's less than obvious to today's passer-through. What I am very much against is the pure one-off invention of names by contributors who appear to have done no more than look at a map and thought to themselves: "Mm, it's near Bluebell Wood, and Cowslip Farm is just down the road; shall I call it 'Bluebell Junction', or perhaps 'Cowslip Crossroads'?" This is particularly irksome to those who happen to live near enough to know that the junction has no such name for those who regularly use it!
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This is the crux of the matter, and is a chicken & egg situation. If the article doesn't exist, chances are no one will write it any time soon, but if it exists with an incorrect name, and a disclaimer (eg the dubious name tag I mentioned above), then if someone identifies the error, hopefully it will be reported, and the page moved to the correct name. I have on occasion resorted to the OS Six inch map layer on Sabre Maps, where many old rural junctions are named. These names may be obsolete, but they were at least historical.Viator wrote:This is particularly irksome to those who happen to live near enough to know that the junction has no such name for those who regularly use it!
Of course, in much of rural Scotland, and perhaps elsewhere across the country, junctions don't have names per se, but instead people would say 'turn off at Invergarry' or 'right at Laxford Bridge', so the local village / landmark has become the de facto name of the junction through common usage.
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Many appear to take their names from long-defunct pubs.
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