Junctions with no official name
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Junctions with no official name
Is there a policy regarding how to name a page for such junctions?
From the SABRE Wiki: Wickes Roundabout :
Wickes Roundabout is a busy junction not far from the centre of Taunton, Somerset. The A38 and A358 begin a brief multiplex along the Toneway, whilst the A3038, a minor local route, forms the fourth arm of the junction.
While not signed on the Advance Direction Signs for the roundabout, the roundabout is known locally after the large DIY store adjacent to it, and is featured regularly on travel news as such
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Made up names are definitely not allowed!
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I really, really hate the "Asda Roundabout" sort of page name - although I accept that with the Wickes Roundabout in Taunton (and most of the Asda and Tescos roundabouts that we've got on the wiki), that the councils invariably refer to them as such, and that they're on the travel news as such, and that everyone knows them as such.
I do agree that some unnamed junctions are notable enough for a page, even though the junction might not have an official name. Sometimes digging does reveal that the junction might be named after the minor road that meets the more major road, and so that obviously can be used.
Clearly, where junctions are numbered, e.g. A14 J14 we've used that - however, clearly that doesn't apply here.
I'm surprised that the horrible double mini roundabout junction isn't referred to as the Inkerman, after the pub.... Any official documentation that there is seems to use the catchy "Norwich Road/Valley Road/Chevallier Street".
We've got the choice I suppose therefore of:
* A1156-A1214 Junction
* Norwich Road-Valley Road-Chevallier Street Junction (/ is invalid as it denotes a subpage)
* The Inkerman Junction
I'd probably call it A1156-A1214 Junction, as the documented name is simply a horrible mouthful....
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The missus, who for almost 20 years lived a few hundred yards away from this junction, helpfully tells me that they always called it "The Norwich Road roundabout" and that it first became a double mini-roundabout in the early 1980s - one of the first in the country?
She also regales stories of doing economics 'A' level and performing a survey of users of the nearby shops along the Norwich road to see where the customers came from. As this was years before the Ipswich bypass, a large proportion of the customer were from Holland, Germany and further afield - having recently arrived on the ferry at Felixstowe.
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One of them is often referred to as McDonald’s roundabout and because there’s only one in town and it’s right by it then it is a very useful geographical description of it, the other commonly goes by various names and some of them can be slightly confusing as they refer to places that lead off it, some of which you’d go over one or two more roundabouts to get to. No one ever refers to it by its actual road name though!
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I prefer that to 'A1156-A1214 Junction' personally. I'm afraid I don't listen to BBC Radio Suffolk enough to have heard what name they use!
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Big and complex.
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Here in Kent, all the motorway junctions in the county have a SABRE wiki page (even 2 without a name on the M20). I have compiled a full list according to the wiki:
M2:
1 - Park Pale (Three Crutches)
2 - Merrals Shaw
3 - Taddington (Bluebell)
4 - Gillingham
5 - The Ridgeway (Stockbury)
6 - Perry Court
7 - Brenley Corner
M20:
1 - Swanley
2 - Wrotham Hill
3 - Addington
4 - Leybourne
5 - Aylesford (Coldharbour)
6 - Sandling
7 - Unnamed (but has a SABRE wiki page)
8 - Hollingbourne
9 - Unnamed (but has a SABRE wiki page)
10 - Lacton
10A - Sevington
11 - Stanford
11A - Beachborough Cross Roads
12 - Cheriton
13 - Castle Hill
M25 (Kent Junctions):
1a - Littlebrook (A282)
1b - Princes Road (A282)
2 - Darenth
3 - Swanley
4 - Hewitts Roundabout
5 - Chevening
M26:
M20 J3 - Addington
2a - Wrotham Heath
M25 J5 - Chevening
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.54072 ... 8192?hl=en
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Given that there are plenty of junctions whose official names refer to something long-gone, I doubt that's a problem!KeithW wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 17:22 One other complication is that some junctions have colloquial names that simply make no sense these days. The junction between the A172 and Ladgate Lane (the old A174) is still often referred to as Marton Bungalow, a structure that was demolished 60 years ago. This what is there now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.54072 ... 8192?hl=en
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The junction of A456 and A4123 was traditionally known as the "Warley Odeon" after the cinema that stood there for many years, and this persisted even after the cinema was demolished in the 1970s. An office block now occupies the site, but the junction is now officially signed as "Beech Lanes Cross", an unsatisfactory name at best.vlad wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 19:50Given that there are plenty of junctions whose official names refer to something long-gone, I doubt that's a problem!KeithW wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 17:22 One other complication is that some junctions have colloquial names that simply make no sense these days. The junction between the A172 and Ladgate Lane (the old A174) is still often referred to as Marton Bungalow, a structure that was demolished 60 years ago. This what is there now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.54072 ... 8192?hl=en
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Caxton Gibbet is another obvious example at pushing 200 years, but I'm sure there are older examples out there. Locally we have Murketts' Corner which is confusing for another reason: Murketts is still around, but some time ago moved to a bigger site a couple of hundred yards away.KeithW wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 17:22 One other complication is that some junctions have colloquial names that simply make no sense these days. The junction between the A172 and Ladgate Lane (the old A174) is still often referred to as Marton Bungalow, a structure that was demolished 60 years ago. This what is there now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.54072 ... 8192?hl=en
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The Caxton Gibbet name still makes sense. When they demolished the pub (in about 2012) and replaced it with a (small) service station the actual gibbet - which I accept a bit of a grandfathers axe - was retained and can still be seen.
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Ha, the Wickes Roundabout just takes its name from whatever the DIY shed next to it is currently called. I remember when it was called the Great Mills roundabout. I'm sure after that it was called the Focus Roundabout (maybe I dreamt that) before it became Wickes.M5Lenzar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 13:15 This junction is between the A1214 and A1156 in Ipswich. It is local, but deserves a Wiki page as the A12 and A45 used to meet here (not to mention that many much smaller junctions get their own page). The problem is that there does not seem to be an official name for it - and locals tend to call it 'the double roundabout'. There isn't even an unofficial name that is used almost universally, such as Wickes Roundabout in Taunton.
Is there a policy regarding how to name a page for such junctions?
Still busy though.
From the SABRE Wiki: Wickes Roundabout :
Wickes Roundabout is a busy junction not far from the centre of Taunton, Somerset. The A38 and A358 begin a brief multiplex along the Toneway, whilst the A3038, a minor local route, forms the fourth arm of the junction.
While not signed on the Advance Direction Signs for the roundabout, the roundabout is known locally after the large DIY store adjacent to it, and is featured regularly on travel news as such
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It could become the To Let roundabout then?ikcdab wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 21:03Ha, the Wickes Roundabout just takes its name from whatever the DIY shed next to it is currently called. I remember when it was called the Great Mills roundabout. I'm sure after that it was called the Focus Roundabout (maybe I dreamt that) before it became Wickes.M5Lenzar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 13:15 This junction is between the A1214 and A1156 in Ipswich. It is local, but deserves a Wiki page as the A12 and A45 used to meet here (not to mention that many much smaller junctions get their own page). The problem is that there does not seem to be an official name for it - and locals tend to call it 'the double roundabout'. There isn't even an unofficial name that is used almost universally, such as Wickes Roundabout in Taunton.
Is there a policy regarding how to name a page for such junctions?
Still busy though.
From the SABRE Wiki: Wickes Roundabout :
Wickes Roundabout is a busy junction not far from the centre of Taunton, Somerset. The A38 and A358 begin a brief multiplex along the Toneway, whilst the A3038, a minor local route, forms the fourth arm of the junction.
While not signed on the Advance Direction Signs for the roundabout, the roundabout is known locally after the large DIY store adjacent to it, and is featured regularly on travel news as such
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Just noticed this thread now and Gallows Corner on the A12/A127 of course follows the same logic. I doubt it has been a place of public execution since the 17th century.
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I think we had a thread for junctions that take their name from something that no longer exists. Another good example is J5 on the M74, which is named ''Raith'' in honour of a now-defunct farm.KeithW wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 17:22 One other complication is that some junctions have colloquial names that simply make no sense these days. The junction between the A172 and Ladgate Lane (the old A174) is still often referred to as Marton Bungalow, a structure that was demolished 60 years ago. This what is there now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.54072 ... 8192?hl=en
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