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Schiphol road tunnel- Amsterdam

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Post by Nwallace » Mon May 06, 2019 22:13

I find the canal tunnel more interesting, particularly when you're driving under a container ship!
Did it twice in one trip, unfortunately even at the low motorway speeds of the Netherlands I failed to get my camera in time.

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Post by Bryn666 » Tue May 07, 2019 11:41

Similar to the A1 in France at Charles de Gaulle. Likewise the N7 at Orly.

If Heathrow Runway 3 gets built the M25 will have to do similar.
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Post by ScottB5411 » Tue May 07, 2019 23:24

Bryn666 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 11:41
Similar to the A1 in France at Charles de Gaulle.
I remember being super impressed the first time I drove the section of A1 through CDG, even more so on the way back from Paris with a 747 crossing the Autoroute.

I do find other countries have far superior airport access than the UK, with most major airports being completely freeflow access to/from the nearest highway with set down/pick up heavily patrolled by airport Police, no matter the country and fines issued swiftly for loiterers. I think this was where Manchester has got it wrong as it wasn't patrolling the terminal areas heavily with traffic patrols/officers on foot and issuing fines to those loitering and waiting (not that I ever saw). Washington Dulles takes great delight in fining Taxi drivers who try and avoid using the Taxi ramp (therefore avoiding a fee) and pickup curbside, a cop once told me they make more money from this than anything else traffic wise. They also terminate the fare if a passenger has got in the taxi too :laugh:
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Post by koppie » Tue May 21, 2019 18:23

As a local, I've to notice, it's a D4M, with two D2M next to it for local traffic. The D4M is for through-traffic. Is there a shorthand for this? D2M-4M or something like that?

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Post by jackal » Fri May 24, 2019 10:11

koppie wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 18:23
As a local, I've to notice, it's a D4M, with two D2M next to it for local traffic. The D4M is for through-traffic. Is there a shorthand for this? D2M-4M or something like that?
I don't think we have any consistent shorthand for multiple carriageways (but then we have fewer C/D lanes in the UK than there are in the Netherlands). I would probably say D4+D2.

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Post by Vierwielen » Sun May 26, 2019 22:27

ScottB5411 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 23:24
Bryn666 wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 11:41
Similar to the A1 in France at Charles de Gaulle.
I remember being super impressed the first time I drove the section of A1 through CDG, even more so on the way back from Paris with a 747 crossing the Autoroute.

I do find other countries have far superior airport access than the UK, with most major airports being completely freeflow access to/from the nearest highway with set down/pick up heavily patrolled by airport Police, no matter the country and fines issued swiftly for loiterers. I think this was where Manchester has got it wrong as it wasn't patrolling the terminal areas heavily with traffic patrols/officers on foot and issuing fines to those loitering and waiting (not that I ever saw). Washington Dulles takes great delight in fining Taxi drivers who try and avoid using the Taxi ramp (therefore avoiding a fee) and pickup curbside, a cop once told me they make more money from this than anything else traffic wise. They also terminate the fare if a passenger has got in the taxi too :laugh:
I read in today's Sunday Times that Heathrow was planning a "Congestion charge" for all private drop-off and pick-ups at Heathrow.

That reminds me - I need to write to my MP and ask him whether or not he is fighting for a rail link between Heathrow and the Southwestern line (for example Woking). My own experience from living in NE Hants is that getting to and from London City using public transport is less stressful than getting to and from Heathrow.

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Post by Al__S » Sat Jun 08, 2019 19:15

koppie wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 18:23
As a local, I've to notice, it's a D4M, with two D2M next to it for local traffic. The D4M is for through-traffic. Is there a shorthand for this? D2M-4M or something like that?
Looking at it, it seems to be in total a D4M flanked by a D2M with a D1 local access (this seems to have been D2, but converted to D1 due to being a bit narrow?), a wide (maybe not by Dutch standards, but compared to anywhere else*) cycle tunnel and an S2 for the busway?

Then there's the four track railway as well


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Post by danfw194 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 15:27

I'd like to see greater use of C/D lanes in Britain. Not saying it'd definitely work to relieve congestion (I haven't a clue about whether they're proven effective or not), but I've always liked the theory behind them. The western M25 seems like a perfect candidate for it, regardless of whether Heathrow gets expanded or not. I really don't like D6M at all. I think if any stretch of road is deemed necessary to have more than 4 lanes per carriageway, it should be C/D.

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Post by Bryn666 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:40

danfw194 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 15:27
I'd like to see greater use of C/D lanes in Britain. Not saying it'd definitely work to relieve congestion (I haven't a clue about whether they're proven effective or not), but I've always liked the theory behind them. The western M25 seems like a perfect candidate for it, regardless of whether Heathrow gets expanded or not. I really don't like D6M at all. I think if any stretch of road is deemed necessary to have more than 4 lanes per carriageway, it should be C/D.
Highways England agree with you and any carriageway wider than four lanes is a departure from standard as a result - the only reason the M25 is like that is due to local opposition to C/D lanes when it was widened. Doing it within existing boundaries ensured it was ready in time for T5 opening.
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Re: Schiphol road tunnel- Amsterdam

Post by jackal » Wed Jun 19, 2019 09:47

danfw194 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 15:27
I'd like to see greater use of C/D lanes in Britain. Not saying it'd definitely work to relieve congestion (I haven't a clue about whether they're proven effective or not), but I've always liked the theory behind them. The western M25 seems like a perfect candidate for it, regardless of whether Heathrow gets expanded or not. I really don't like D6M at all. I think if any stretch of road is deemed necessary to have more than 4 lanes per carriageway, it should be C/D.
It seems the M25 will finally be getting C/D lanes at J14-15, as well as southbound between J29 and the LTC. Likewise the A2 between the M2 and the LTC (both directions).

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