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Herned wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05
willyukrrus wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 15:12 The local, regional and government authorities should take a serious reflection on this dangerous road considering this is somewhat a "main artery" feeder between these two major cities Limoge and Poitier
They aren't really major cities though, Poiters has a population of 88k, Limoges 132k... Worcester to Oxford would be a reasonable British comparison. It's not that surprising to me that it's not had masses of money spent on it
That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
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c2R wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 20:18
Herned wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05
willyukrrus wrote: Sun Nov 01, 2020 15:12 The local, regional and government authorities should take a serious reflection on this dangerous road considering this is somewhat a "main artery" feeder between these two major cities Limoge and Poitier
They aren't really major cities though, Poiters has a population of 88k, Limoges 132k... Worcester to Oxford would be a reasonable British comparison. It's not that surprising to me that it's not had masses of money spent on it
That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
It's the E62, which runs from Nantes to Genoa, and this is what RCEA is about fixing. The French seem reluctant to have it as a toll motorway because it's a port to port route.
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c2R wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 20:18 That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
Surely that's what the A28 is for? Traffic to Toulouse from Le Havre must be pretty minimal, even to Barcelona it must be minimal difference compared to going via Clermont-Ferrand
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Herned wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 13:32
c2R wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 20:18 That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
Surely that's what the A28 is for? Traffic to Toulouse from Le Havre must be pretty minimal, even to Barcelona it must be minimal difference compared to going via Clermont-Ferrand
The A28 is fine if your destination is on the A10. If you want to get to Limoges and beyond you're going to have to either use the N147 or dogleg via Orleans to pick up the A71/A20.

The Grande Contournement de Paris which is slowly evolving will solve the Le Havre etc problems fully but that still leaves a blatant gap on the separate RCEA corridor, which is the N147.
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Also, Toulouse is fairly significant in terms of France's economy....
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c2R wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:07 Also, Toulouse is fairly significant in terms of France's economy....
They build the odd aircraft there.
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Bryn666 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:00
c2R wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 20:18
Herned wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:05

They aren't really major cities though, Poiters has a population of 88k, Limoges 132k... Worcester to Oxford would be a reasonable British comparison. It's not that surprising to me that it's not had masses of money spent on it
That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
It's the E62, which runs from Nantes to Genoa, and this is what RCEA is about fixing. The French seem reluctant to have it as a toll motorway because it's a port to port route.
Like Brittany, the Limousin and Auvergne have traditionally been poorer regions, covering the Massif Central, so tolling appears to be kept to a minimum.
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exiled wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 14:18
Bryn666 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:00
c2R wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 20:18

That's not quite the point though - it allows freight from Le Havre to head to the south without having to go through Paris.
It's the E62, which runs from Nantes to Genoa, and this is what RCEA is about fixing. The French seem reluctant to have it as a toll motorway because it's a port to port route.
Like Brittany, the Limousin and Auvergne have traditionally been poorer regions, covering the Massif Central, so tolling appears to be kept to a minimum.
That would definitely explain the A20 and A75 (barring Millau) being toll free. Those routes also massively cut the journey time over the original A6-A7-A9 and A10-A63/N10 routes to the Spanish border.
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Bryn666 wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 15:07
exiled wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 14:18
Bryn666 wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:00

It's the E62, which runs from Nantes to Genoa, and this is what RCEA is about fixing. The French seem reluctant to have it as a toll motorway because it's a port to port route.
Like Brittany, the Limousin and Auvergne have traditionally been poorer regions, covering the Massif Central, so tolling appears to be kept to a minimum.
That would definitely explain the A20 and A75 (barring Millau) being toll free. Those routes also massively cut the journey time over the original A6-A7-A9 and A10-A63/N10 routes to the Spanish border.
The parts of France with little or no tolling appear to fall into three categories. Economic development in historically poorer regions - Brittany, Limousin, Auvergne, and Normandy west of Caen, avoiding cross border shunpiking - Nord, and Alsace-Lorraine, and the Ile de France, where you just want to avoid shunpiking anyway.
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