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Road bridge from Russia to Crimea opens

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Link to Guardian article, and Wikipedia article. A 12-mile D2 road bridge, apparently the longest in Europe, has opened between Russia and Crimea; construction started in 2014 after the political crisis in Crimea.

A rail bridge alongside will open next year.
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In Britain after this time we'd still be pondering how many consultation meetings to have, and testing if there are any protected newts along the route.
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To be fair, I think the exceptional political circumstances made the Russian government want to hurry up a lot.

Hopefully that doesn't mean a negative impact on safety.
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"Safety" and "Russian drivers".

You're funny.
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Conekicker wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 20:54 "Safety" and "Russian drivers".

You're funny.
Yes if those compilations of Russian car crashes on Youtube are anything to go by.
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RichardA626 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 21:03
Conekicker wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 20:54 "Safety" and "Russian drivers".

You're funny.
Yes if those compilations of Russian car crashes on Youtube are anything to go by.
I went to Russia 2 years , was surprised to see no crashes in the 10 days i was there .
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scott125 wrote: Fri May 18, 2018 21:23
RichardA626 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 21:03
Conekicker wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 20:54 "Safety" and "Russian drivers".

You're funny.
Yes if those compilations of Russian car crashes on Youtube are anything to go by.
I went to Russia 2 years , was surprised to see no crashes in the 10 days i was there .
Many, many moons ago I went to what was then the USSR. Didn't see any crashes (very few vehicles about) but did see the bonnet of a truck fly up and hit the windscreen in Leningrad. The driver didn't seem phased by it. Tried to close it but it was bent. So he simply proceeded to kick sh seven bells out of it until it would close.

I suspect he got a job over here at Kwikfit after the fall of the USSR.
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6637 wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 15:49 Link to Guardian article, and Wikipedia article. A 12-mile D2 road bridge, apparently the longest in Europe, has opened between Russia and Crimea; construction started in 2014 after the political crisis in Crimea.

A rail bridge alongside will open next year.
There were of course a two temporary bridges across the straits during WW2. One built by the Germans which they blew up and another by the Red Army which collapsed some time later, lets hope this one lasts a little longer.
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KeithW wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 21:46There were of course a two temporary bridges across the straits during WW2. One built by the Germans which they blew up and another by the Red Army which collapsed some time later, lets hope this one lasts a little longer.
Looks like the third bridge may not last long either: how long before the Ukrainian military finds a way to blow it up?
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GC_NEMan1 wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 20:13
KeithW wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 21:46There were of course a two temporary bridges across the straits during WW2. One built by the Germans which they blew up and another by the Red Army which collapsed some time later, lets hope this one lasts a little longer.
Looks like the third bridge may not last long either: how long before the Ukrainian military finds a way to blow it up?
Well the heavy artillery is about due and it seems they are already making things blow up in Voronezh, Belgorod and the Kursk Oblast
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bl ... 022-04-27/

The Russians seem to be now finding out hitting fuel stores and munitions dumps woks both ways. That said I think the Ukrainians will probably leave it alone, they are rather good at the PR side and hitting civilian targets does not go down well.
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I've seen a photo of a M270 vehicle apparently on it's way to Ukraine. Now if, instead of the usual 6 packs of M30/31 rockets, the Ukrainians have been given a few ATACMS, both the rail and road bridges could soon be toast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Mult ... ket_System
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GC_NEMan1 wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 20:13
KeithW wrote: Sun May 20, 2018 21:46There were of course a two temporary bridges across the straits during WW2. One built by the Germans which they blew up and another by the Red Army which collapsed some time later, lets hope this one lasts a little longer.
Looks like the third bridge may not last long either: how long before the Ukrainian military finds a way to blow it up?
It was only a matter of time.
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It is to note that this was on the Ukrainian side of the bridge https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11018 ... 78/36.5398
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jervi wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 07:47 It was only a matter of time.Fehl5ZkaEAAJD2F.jpg

It is to note that this was on the Ukrainian side of the bridge https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11018 ... 78/36.5398
Perhaps but reports are confused at this stage, first reports were that an explosion on a truck set fuel tankers on a passing train alight. Either way its going be a real setback for the Russians.

Video here shows no sign of the high energy shrapnel you would expect from a bomb or missile.
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This is a considerable escalation; it completely isolates Crimea. The Ukranians must be convinced they can kick the Russians out for good. There is no chance the bridge can be repaired during the war. And a great birthday present for V. Putin :)
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tom66 wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:34 This is a considerable escalation; it completely isolates Crimea. The Ukranians must be convinced they can kick the Russians out for good. There is no chance the bridge can be repaired during the war. And a great birthday present for V. Putin :)
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1578640041488060416

By the looks of this footage one of the carriageways is still passable but appears warped in the middle. I imagine that in a couple of days military/special traffic would be allowed to use the remaining span as a contraflow with the damaged section closely monitored and controlled with 1 vehicle passing the span at a time.

It goes without saying that the destroyed carriageway needs a complete rebuild, even if they tried to rebuilt it as quickly as possible I don't imagine it would be ready in 6 months, likely 1 year. The railway bridge appears to have had major fire damage, likely needs the whole span replacing, again taking at least 6 months if not a year.
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Would it really take that long? Considering we are not talking about a civilian project here. They don't need lengthy planning or even safety protocols.
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:24 Would it really take that long? Considering we are not talking about a civilian project here. They don't need lengthy planning or even safety protocols.
They may of constructed the bridge in 2 years, but carrying out a repair like that is not an easy task. When they initially constructed the bridge they used a temporary bridge, yes this may of been required more for the piers than the deck but cranes will need to be on something to lift the replacement spans in place.

Also they need to get replacement spans. I presume when the bridge was first built they had a factory onsite to fabricate the spans, but I'd imagine this doesn't exist any more, or is currently not fit for purpose. This would require a factory elsewhere to manufacture the spans and with a snificant amount of working age men leaving the country or being enlisted, there may be issues in getting the spans made in a timely manor.

Additional security to the site will also slow things down further. Nothing to say they cannot achieve this within 6 months, just I'd be very surprised.
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Partially reopened: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63183404

It appears to be the Crimea-bound carriageway that has collapsed into the sea whilst the Russia-bound carriageway has remained intact and is passable to some extent. Clearly the road bridge would only be able to function as a single carriageway in the short to medium term if its use can even be deemed safe anymore accounting for security concerns. The railway also seems to be back in operation.
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Is Putin's table long enough to bridge the gap?
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Mark Hewitt wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:24 Would it really take that long? Considering we are not talking about a civilian project here. They don't need lengthy planning or even safety protocols.
The biggest issue is that the contractors that build bridges like this are typically civilian, not military. The bridge has been labelled a legitimate target by Ukraine. Would you want to work as a contractor on a bridge like that? Sure, Russia may "force" them to do the work, but it will be slower for security concerns and carry significant risks.
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