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Re: Botched Roadsigns
Aren't HGVs banned from the outside lane of a dual carriageway (except D2) anyway? Although in this example the sign prohibits vehicles wider than 6'-6", but on the A23 south of Crawley there's a similar arrangement with a prohibition of HGVs over 7.5 tonnes.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
Makes you wonder why the other two portions of the sign don’t show white arrows on a dark grey background...Al__S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 17:47 addenbrookessign.jpg
Bit of an odd one. The reason is that the main cycle flow here heads diagonally across the junction to a short section of shared use leading to an entrance to the hospital site that avoids a big roundabout.
I'm not overly sold on the layout, but that's not really what this thread is here to critique, is it? Oh no, this thread is very much here for the sheer weirdness of making the cycle lane (which is red on the ground- red asphalt) red on the sign with the direction arrow in white.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
Incorrect combination of a plate and a warning sign.
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In fact, in the moments after driving past it earlier today, I started to think almost how chilling that combination of signs comes across...
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
No, that prohibition only applies to motorways, not all-purpose roads. While it might seem illogical that HGVs can use lane 3 of a D3AP but not lane 3 of a D3M, I would guess that that is with the thought of urban or at least non-grade-separated roads in mind. There are enough dual-carriageways with 3 lanes approaching a junction with a right-turn that prohibiting HGVs from using lane 3 would be problematic – whereas the number of motorway junctions where traffic needs to get into the rightmost lane is very small, off the top of my head I can only think of the M3 J2 and possibly some junctions around Glasgow.Nathan_A_RF wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 22:23 Aren't HGVs banned from the outside lane of a dual carriageway (except D2) anyway? Although in this example the sign prohibits vehicles wider than 6'-6", but on the A23 south of Crawley there's a similar arrangement with a prohibition of HGVs over 7.5 tonnes.
Re: Botched Roadsigns
Going from the A167(M) northbound to the A1058(M) requires you to be in the rightmost lane (the left lane continues on the A167(M), the right lane splits with part going to each road), but it's only two lanes wide so you might not be counting it.Stevie D wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 18:37 There are enough dual-carriageways with 3 lanes approaching a junction with a right-turn that prohibiting HGVs from using lane 3 would be problematic – whereas the number of motorway junctions where traffic needs to get into the rightmost lane is very small, off the top of my head I can only think of the M3 J2 and possibly some junctions around Glasgow.
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No, as there is no blanket prohibition on lorries using lane 2 of a 2-lane motorway, it didn't seem relevant.
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The road sign is fine, but Middlebrook's own sign behind it is a bit iffy...
https://goo.gl/maps/1ZWdRH9M7cB2
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Ah yes, it shows the route 17 year olds should take on the roundaboutscragend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 20:16 The road sign is fine, but Middlebrook's own sign behind it is a bit iffy...
https://goo.gl/maps/1ZWdRH9M7cB2
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And the Prime MinisterAndy33gmail wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 21:57Ah yes, it shows the route 17 year olds should take on the roundaboutscragend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 04, 2019 20:16 The road sign is fine, but Middlebrook's own sign behind it is a bit iffy...
https://goo.gl/maps/1ZWdRH9M7cB2
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
Welcome to Telford
First off we’ve got non standard signs: https://goo.gl/maps/utMghWgx8ix
Extremely poor condition signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/pgcuQP2RhCx
Motorway numbers that should be in brackets: https://goo.gl/maps/23b2KWy5cNo
And isn’t there a normal sign for that?
https://goo.gl/maps/CoYfbDWaCrS2
First off we’ve got non standard signs: https://goo.gl/maps/utMghWgx8ix
Extremely poor condition signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/pgcuQP2RhCx
Motorway numbers that should be in brackets: https://goo.gl/maps/23b2KWy5cNo
And isn’t there a normal sign for that?
https://goo.gl/maps/CoYfbDWaCrS2
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
Welcome telfordboi. I'm sitting in an office in Telford not 100m from your last example. I think it's there to make a special point about a recent road layout alteration, but in fact probably the best thing to do would be to have no sign at all, the new layout discourages right turns anyway. WRT your third example, the slips to M54 are *literally* around the corner from the sign, so I'm inclined to give that one a pass. But Telford is noted for ancient signs with a zillion patches and plates on them and years of accumulated grime. For a supposedly "new" town, it's not impressive.telfordboi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 07, 2019 16:41 Welcome to Telford
First off we’ve got non standard signs: https://goo.gl/maps/utMghWgx8ix
Extremely poor condition signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/pgcuQP2RhCx
Motorway numbers that should be in brackets: https://goo.gl/maps/23b2KWy5cNo
And isn’t there a normal sign for that?
https://goo.gl/maps/CoYfbDWaCrS2
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
I was was being just a little bit picky with the brackets there I do use the eastbound slip road everyday, which since it was changed to one lane instead of 2, has become notorious for corner cutting.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Thu Feb 07, 2019 16:53Welcome telfordboi. I'm sitting in an office in Telford not 100m from your last example. I think it's there to make a special point about a recent road layout alteration, but in fact probably the best thing to do would be to have no sign at all, the new layout discourages right turns anyway. WRT your third example, the slips to M54 are *literally* around the corner from the sign, so I'm inclined to give that one a pass. But Telford is noted for ancient signs with a zillion patches and plates on them and years of accumulated grime. For a supposedly "new" town, it's not impressive.telfordboi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 07, 2019 16:41 Welcome to Telford
First off we’ve got non standard signs: https://goo.gl/maps/utMghWgx8ix
Extremely poor condition signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/pgcuQP2RhCx
Motorway numbers that should be in brackets: https://goo.gl/maps/23b2KWy5cNo
And isn’t there a normal sign for that?
https://goo.gl/maps/CoYfbDWaCrS2
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
A little further on, can anyone explain?Pilgrim Dan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 20:23 Is this really how a horizontal line is meant to be used?
Re: Botched Roadsigns
I'm not a fan of signs that don't really give you the information you need.
For example, if you're here and you want the second turn-off (for the M5 towards the Midlands), you need to be in the middle lane as the left-hand lane is lost at the first turn-off.
For example, if you're here and you want the second turn-off (for the M5 towards the Midlands), you need to be in the middle lane as the left-hand lane is lost at the first turn-off.
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
It is an awful bit of signage:
1) The left lane only exists for a short distance and isn't worth rushing into, but the signage makes it look like it will be there for a while.
2) Information about the lane drop is only provided 100 yards before it happens.
3) The fork sign in question does encourage you to move left for the second exit.
4) Because of that fork sign, when you finally get to the gantry you are looking for a big blue patch with chopsticks, but (correctly) there isn't one, meaning it takes a few more seconds before you realise you're in the wrong lane.
It is a rare case where breaking the rules and giving that gantry some nice blue patches and Motorway Permanent would make life easier. Or just make the markings clearer and have more signs.
When it comes to botched signs, why are all the lane signs on that road in black-on-white?
1) The left lane only exists for a short distance and isn't worth rushing into, but the signage makes it look like it will be there for a while.
2) Information about the lane drop is only provided 100 yards before it happens.
3) The fork sign in question does encourage you to move left for the second exit.
4) Because of that fork sign, when you finally get to the gantry you are looking for a big blue patch with chopsticks, but (correctly) there isn't one, meaning it takes a few more seconds before you realise you're in the wrong lane.
It is a rare case where breaking the rules and giving that gantry some nice blue patches and Motorway Permanent would make life easier. Or just make the markings clearer and have more signs.
When it comes to botched signs, why are all the lane signs on that road in black-on-white?
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Re: Botched Roadsigns
A171 needs brackets.
They've understood the concept with "(A173)", so there's not really any excuse!
They've understood the concept with "(A173)", so there's not really any excuse!
Re: Botched Roadsigns
That sign is not lawful, as it may only be used where all lanes continue ahead through the junction. If there is a lane-drop then either lane designation signs or overhead gantries denoting the appropriate lanes must be used. Looks like one to be reported to HE, although they will probably just whitewash it as they usually do
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That’s very simple. It means red buses are on the left and blue buses are straight on. It’s only a problem if you’re looking for green or yellow buses, because they aren’t signposted.Al__S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 09, 2019 16:48A little further on, can anyone explain?Pilgrim Dan wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 20:23 Is this really how a horizontal line is meant to be used?
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