Ah I'm sorry I thought you meant south of the 303 at the Devon end!
A358 Taunton to Southfields
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Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
There's even a crawler lane after the single lane exit to add the madness.JonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...roadtester wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:07 On the question of whether this is just a scheme to solve local problems or part of a grand vision to provide the missing link for the A303 as a high quality route to the southwest, I notice that the Highways Agency page for the Sparkford to Ilchester improvement (I was prompted to look at this because it is referred to in the UK road building costs thread) refers to the A303/A358 corridor, and the need to upgrade it, so this is clearly a thing.
https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... ilchester/
If that's the role A358 Taunton to Southfields is supposed to play, it really shouldn't be skimped on.
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Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
There’s a couple on the westbound A31 where the dual Ferndown bypass becomes single carriageway at Ameysford Roundabout.Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 18:34Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
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Yes, loads, but what would really solve Jon's problem is some information on which lane to use on approach to the roundabout. Or better still, mark it as two lanes, as there is space to do so anyway.Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 18:34Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
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Ok fair enough, odd that they aren't standard practice then... and yes, it would make more sense to mark the roundabout and exit as two lanes. Although hopefully it will all be moot in a couple of yearsJohnathan404 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 19:07 Yes, loads, but what would really solve Jon's problem is some information on which lane to use on approach to the roundabout. Or better still, mark it as two lanes, as there is space to do so anyway.
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Not sure but there are always nice big two way road signs exiting the roundabout when it become's S2. IMO a roundabout is one of the better ways to end a DC. It's the ones that end abruptly on S2 roads that I don't like,Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 18:34Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
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Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
There are so many examples out there that I thought it *was* standard practice!Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 19:26Ok fair enough, odd that they aren't standard practice then... and yes, it would make more sense to mark the roundabout and exit as two lanes. Although hopefully it will all be moot in a couple of yearsJohnathan404 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 19:07 Yes, loads, but what would really solve Jon's problem is some information on which lane to use on approach to the roundabout. Or better still, mark it as two lanes, as there is space to do so anyway.
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I just had a bit of a wider look via streetview, with a southern bias as I know more places to check, and it's about 50/50, with no obvious pattern e.g. Lewes bypass does have them, Polegate doesn't, and that's the same road in the same county
Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
End of Dual section of A361 near Tiverton. Is this what you mean?Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 18:34Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
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Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
tompatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 08:31End of Dual section of A361 near Tiverton. Is this what you mean?Herned wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 18:34Do roads ever have an end of dual carriageway sign when they end at a roundabout? I can't think of any, and checking a few locations on streetview doesn't show anywhere as having themJonH wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 13:34 That Sparkford to Ilchester bit is yet another "get on and chuffing build it" Who ever permitted the bit where the dual A303 hits the roundabout and exits as a single lane road with no hint or warning or a merge (Hazelgrove Roundabout), is yet another person I would like to cause severe pain to...
https://www.google.com/maps/@50.9146787 ... 384!8i8192
Problem is the exit is S2 which then widens to provide a crawler lane. So worst of both worlds, the roundabout gets incredibly congested up as traffic leaving the A359 and you still end up with a merging pile on at the top of the crawler.Johnathan404 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 19:07
Yes, loads, but what would really solve Jon's problem is some information on which lane to use on approach to the roundabout. Or better still, mark it as two lanes, as there is space to do so anyway.
Another reason why I avoid this road as much as I can.
Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
A33 southbound has this at the Wellington Roundabout (between Reading & Basingstoke) - two lanes on approach, one lane on exit - not a hint of any warning. How there are not more crashes there is probably down to the majority knowing what is coming and - therefore - pure luck!
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In separate but related news the A358 Toneway is set to be widened as part of the improvements at Junction 25
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/som ... ay-3085195
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/som ... ay-3085195
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Just home after a week in Cornwall. Unusually for me I found myself taking the M5/A358 route to join the A303 due to an accident blocking both directions on the S2 stretch past Marsh.
I was interested to note that the flag sign onto the A358 from the J25 roundabout is designated ‘Yeovil A358 (A303),
Weymouth (A37)’.
Not the best signposting in the world (Yeovil isn’t on the A303 but I suppose you take it to reach the A3088 and thence Yeovil) but it does indicate the strategic relevance of the N-S route as well as the E-W route that HE want it to become.
Should it, in the future, read ‘Andover, London A358 (A303)
Yeovil, Dorchester, Weymouth (A37) (A3088)’
Or should the A3088 be renumbered A358 and the A358 south of the A303 become something else?
I was interested to note that the flag sign onto the A358 from the J25 roundabout is designated ‘Yeovil A358 (A303),
Weymouth (A37)’.
Not the best signposting in the world (Yeovil isn’t on the A303 but I suppose you take it to reach the A3088 and thence Yeovil) but it does indicate the strategic relevance of the N-S route as well as the E-W route that HE want it to become.
Should it, in the future, read ‘Andover, London A358 (A303)
Yeovil, Dorchester, Weymouth (A37) (A3088)’
Or should the A3088 be renumbered A358 and the A358 south of the A303 become something else?
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This is now the recommended/signed route from Bristol to Weymouth, rather than the A37 throughout.A320Driver wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 00:55
Not the best signposting in the world (Yeovil isn’t on the A303 but I suppose you take it to reach the A3088 and thence Yeovil) but it does indicate the strategic relevance of the N-S route as well as the E-W route that HE want it to become.
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Maybe the A37 should be rerouted along the A3088 and then multiplex with the A303 up to Ilchester?WHBM wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 02:16This is now the recommended/signed route from Bristol to Weymouth, rather than the A37 throughout.A320Driver wrote: ↑Sat Aug 10, 2019 00:55
Not the best signposting in the world (Yeovil isn’t on the A303 but I suppose you take it to reach the A3088 and thence Yeovil) but it does indicate the strategic relevance of the N-S route as well as the E-W route that HE want it to become.
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A pedant writes....
The A37 doesn't go to Weymouth.
But apart from that, I don't think _more_ traffic needs to hit the Yeovil Western Corridor , or that more needs to hit the Cartgate roundabout from the A3088 - unless expensive improvements are made to both
Re: A358 Taunton to Southfields
It used to, before the great numbering revision of 1935 which saw the bit south of Dorchester become the A354 to ‘provide a coherent route number towards London’. The planners of that time obviously didn’t have the crystal ball to realise that it would eventually become redundant as a strategic route due to the construction of the M3 and M27, which in turn made the A31/A35 a much better candidate for upgrading. In this day and age, the Dorchester - Weymouth road ought to revert back to A37 again to reflect its strategic importance for traffic heading to Bristol and the West Country, as well as much of Wales.hoagy_ytfc wrote:
A pedant writes....
The A37 doesn't go to Weymouth.
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Agree, A37 would be a good number for Weymouth-Yeovil- A303. Leave Portland out, that could be served by an extended A353.Peter350 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 00:03It used to, before the great numbering revision of 1935 which saw the bit south of Dorchester become the A354 to ‘provide a coherent route number towards London’. The planners of that time obviously didn’t have the crystal ball to realise that it would eventually become redundant as a strategic route due to the construction of the M3 and M27, which in turn made the A31/A35 a much better candidate for upgrading. In this day and age, the Dorchester - Weymouth road ought to revert back to A37 again to reflect its strategic importance for traffic heading to Bristol and the West Country, as well as much of Wales.hoagy_ytfc wrote:
A pedant writes....
The A37 doesn't go to Weymouth.
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