Sorry for digging up another traffic signal thread.
There is another instance of doubling up aspects here at J8 of the M62 for Skyline Drive.
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Sorry for digging up another traffic signal thread.
There's several sites like this around Leeds. The theory is that cyclists stop at the stop line in the cycle lane next to what looks like the nearside secondary signal, essentially operating like an advance cycle box. I suppose it's a second primary signal in that respect.astondb9 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 16:59 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.80727 ... 6656?hl=en
The light to the left of this signal is a green bicycle light which comes on whenever the main traffic signal is on red supposedly to allow cyclists to turn left during the red light. The problem being that the cycle path also carries on straight ahead and there are no signs saying that if you try and make this movement during the red light you'd be taken out by traffic from the right. I'm sure it gets very little (if any) cyclist traffic but if they do they're in for a shock.
Strictly, that's a mast-arm rather than a gantry. As a former local to that area (I lived in Easington, the other side of Loftus from there), I think it will be there to improve visibility of the signal for traffic coming up the (fairly steep) hill of Mill Bank. Also, A174 is quite a busy road, being the coast road from Redcar to Whitby.UKboy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:58 https://www.google.com/maps/@54.5631641 ... 312!8i6656 There's a useless gantry on this road. Why have they put this here, I don't think they really need it for a pedestrian crossing in a small village.
If you look at the approaches from both sides, the mast arm does improve the conspicuity of the crossing quite considerably, especially if there's traffic blocking the sight lines of the regular signals from motorists who are further down the hill.UKboy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:58 https://www.google.com/maps/@54.5631641 ... 312!8i6656 There's a useless gantry on this road. Why have they put this here, I don't think they really need it for a pedestrian crossing in a small village.
You'd think a 45 degree arrow and NUT would be better placed in this situation, I agree.L.J.D wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 These always come across as botched to me. I think they should have no U turn as opposed to no right turn signs and the green arrows look kinda misleading.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XzCnx4UCk6eMxzmw5
I assume it's on private property, so it doesn't matter much, but I wouldn't have said it's permitted, no, given that the flashing of the amber and green man isn't concurrent. A standard 'Pedex' set up would work just as well in this scenario, and would be permitted (I think), given it's just the same as a junction resting in red.TRC666 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 15:12 <snip>
It defaults to all red including farsides but when a vehicle approaches the vehicle signals clear to a very short flashing amber then green before returning to all red (red man remains throughout). When a pedestrian pushes the button it goes straight to a green man then flashing green man before returning to the red man but the vehicle signals remain red throughout the whole cycle unless a vehicle is waiting. Is this setup generally permitted as I've never seen a pelican operate like this elsewhere?
I suppose one could argue that in the absence of a stop line, a driver is to take the primary signal as the defacto stop line, however it's not strictly in the absence of a stop line. I imagine the primary issue here has been the ability to paint the stop line with the required distance from the crossing studs without 'fouling' the side-road entrance completely. I think I'd be inclined to suggest moving the uncontrolled crossing point to the other side of the side-road with an additional set of signals, and paint a stop line along the line of the current uncontrolled crossing point.jervi wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 03:25 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.23258 ... 312!8i6656
Give way at traffic lights?
I'd guess most drivers go when the arm they connect to get the green light, but their stop line is beyond their junction to said road, so they are not controlled by any signals. Just "give way" and hope for the best I guess.
Or in Bradford where they use wires in some locations which I've never seen anywhere else. Though I heard Leeds used to have one.traffic-light-man wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:42You'd think a 45 degree arrow and NUT would be better placed in this situation, I agree.L.J.D wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 These always come across as botched to me. I think they should have no U turn as opposed to no right turn signs and the green arrows look kinda misleading.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XzCnx4UCk6eMxzmw5
Unrelated, but they seem quite fond of mast arms with sub hung signals (by that, I mean the signals 'hanging' below the mast) in Wakefield and the surrounding areas, don't they?
Are those retro-fitted with FuturLED3 modules?L.J.D wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 22:29Also off topic but has anyone seen LED Mellor kicking about lately? Leeds has a set which will likely dissappear when they change Park Row to one way only. Sheffield had a few but they are long gone now due to the PFI.
Leeds ones