No, don't think so. White number on a red patch definitely means junction number. See?Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:56The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.Conekicker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:50Unless DfT have authorised them, yes, the signs are indeed wrong 'uns.
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I was expecting you to post this one: https://goo.gl/maps/Ryq1rp5h3c7EnRiQAChris5156 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:11No, don't think so. White number on a red patch definitely means junction number. See?Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:56The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.Conekicker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:50 Unless DfT have authorised them, yes, the signs are indeed wrong 'uns.
FFS, it's spreading like a spready thing.
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Yikes. Didn't know there were two of them. Ugh.
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Nah. Cluelessness pure and simple. Guaranteed.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 15:11Innovation bonus?Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 15:07The mindset that baffles me is that if a designer wants to do something that is non-prescribed but there's an element of what they want to do that is prescribed, why not use the prescribed bit and not go off at a tangent doing something weird?
Running the design past DfT first, for a reality check, would be a good idea as well, obviously. Allowing that too many designers these days don't even know the DfT Traffic Signs team exist of course. Nor that what they are doing is non-prescribed as well.
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Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
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When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
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Unusually for a loony and failed mathematician I managed to resist that temptation!roadtester wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:45 When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
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Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?roadtester wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:45 When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
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...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33 Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
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Which wouldn't even need any more room:Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49 ...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
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Squints from 150m away at night on an unlit road, "What does that say to the side of 18?"the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 18:22Which wouldn't even need any more room:Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49 ...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
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... or FORTRANChris Bertram wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 20:44Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?roadtester wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:45 When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
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... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33 Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
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Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.Vierwielen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33 Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
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It's rarely used - in fact, I don't think it features in the Welsh Scrabble set, though rhyds is probably best-placed to confirm that.Vierwielen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59 ... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English.
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I'd prefer to just use a symbol too. Especially one that is repeated across, I dunno, most of the world.Chris5156 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.Vierwielen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.Conekicker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49 ...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
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Like this one from Switzerland?Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 17:01I'd prefer to just use a symbol too. Especially one that is repeated across, I dunno, most of the world.Chris5156 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.Vierwielen wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59
... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.
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Junction numbers could be displayed at the top right of advanced direction signs, similar to the US or Dutch style. Junction numbers should also begin with a J to provide more clarity to foreign drivers. I don't think the Welsh would have any problem with using "J" to indicate junction, as in Ireland they sometimes use "J" to indicate junction and Irish, a Celtic language related to Welsh, also doesn't use the letter J in native words, yet there isn't any fuss regarding road signs. With such changes, I personally think junction numbers would be easier to view when driving at 60 - 80 mph on a dual carriageway.
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