Should junction numbers be larger?

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Chris5156 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:11

Bryn666 wrote:
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Conekicker wrote:
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So the white-on-red on the Coventry ring road aren't correct then.
Unless DfT have authorised them, yes, the signs are indeed wrong 'uns.
The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.
No, don't think so. White number on a red patch definitely means junction number. See?

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Bryn666 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:37

Chris5156 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:11
Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:56
Conekicker wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:50
Unless DfT have authorised them, yes, the signs are indeed wrong 'uns.
The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.
No, don't think so. White number on a red patch definitely means junction number. See?
I was expecting you to post this one: https://goo.gl/maps/Ryq1rp5h3c7EnRiQA

FFS, it's spreading like a spready thing.
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Chris5156 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:56

Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:37
Chris5156 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 16:11
Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:56

The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.
No, don't think so. White number on a red patch definitely means junction number. See?
I was expecting you to post this one: https://goo.gl/maps/Ryq1rp5h3c7EnRiQA

FFS, it's spreading like a spready thing.
Yikes. Didn't know there were two of them. Ugh.

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Conekicker » Fri Jan 22, 2021 18:09

Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 15:11
Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 15:07
Bryn666 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:56


The Coventry junction numbers date back to the early 90s, so they may have an authorisation that's been forgotten about but yes, they really should be updated given they technically now claim to be NCN route numbers.
The mindset that baffles me is that if a designer wants to do something that is non-prescribed but there's an element of what they want to do that is prescribed, why not use the prescribed bit and not go off at a tangent doing something weird?

Running the design past DfT first, for a reality check, would be a good idea as well, obviously. Allowing that too many designers these days don't even know the DfT Traffic Signs team exist of course. Nor that what they are doing is non-prescribed as well.
Innovation bonus?
Nah. Cluelessness pure and simple. Guaranteed.
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by the cheesecake man » Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33

Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by roadtester » Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:45

When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by the cheesecake man » Fri Jan 22, 2021 20:40

roadtester wrote:
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When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
:lol: Unusually for a loony and failed mathematician I managed to resist that temptation! :roll:

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Chris Bertram » Fri Jan 22, 2021 20:44

roadtester wrote:
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When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Conekicker » Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49

the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33
Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.

https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/i ... onol_0.xls

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by the cheesecake man » Sat Jan 23, 2021 18:22

Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
Which wouldn't even need any more room: 8-)
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Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?
10 PRINT "the cheesecake man"
20 GOTO 10

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Conekicker » Sat Jan 23, 2021 20:35

the cheesecake man wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 18:22
Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
Which wouldn't even need any more room: 8-)
cj18.png
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 20:44
Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?
10 PRINT "the cheesecake man"
20 GOTO 10

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Vierwielen » Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:52

Chris Bertram wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 20:44
roadtester wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:45
When I first saw this thread title I was expecting contributions along the lines of "Yes! let's start at 500 an go up in units of ten from there".
Ah, you learnt BASIC back in the day too?
... or FORTRAN

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Vierwielen » Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59

Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49
the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33
Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.

https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/i ... onol_0.xls

There's lovely (and not at all pointless) look you?
... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Chris5156 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21

Vierwielen wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59
Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49
the cheesecake man wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 19:33
Nah you just need to put J in front of the number to mean junction.
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.
Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Chris Bertram » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:38

Vierwielen wrote:
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... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English.
It's rarely used - in fact, I don't think it features in the Welsh Scrabble set, though rhyds is probably best-placed to confirm that.
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 17:01

Chris5156 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21
Vierwielen wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59
Conekicker wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 23:49
...and then the Welsh would want to use C or G (Cyffordd or Gyffordd) and you'd need bi-lingual junction number panels.
... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.
Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.
I'd prefer to just use a symbol too. Especially one that is repeated across, I dunno, most of the world.
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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Vierwielen » Tue Jan 26, 2021 21:32

Bryn666 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 17:01
Chris5156 wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21
Vierwielen wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 22:59

... or invent a new Welsh word Jyffordd - according to Wikipedia, the letter "j" is only used in the Welsh language for words that are derived from English. On the other hand, one could replace the word "Junction" with its Latin equivalent, then everybody (or nobody) would be happy.
Or use a symbol for "junction", as found in many European countries.
I'd prefer to just use a symbol too. Especially one that is repeated across, I dunno, most of the world.
Like this one from Switzerland?

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Re: Should junction numbers be larger?

Post by Having a cuppa » Wed Jan 27, 2021 03:16

Junction numbers could be displayed at the top right of advanced direction signs, similar to the US or Dutch style. Junction numbers should also begin with a J to provide more clarity to foreign drivers. I don't think the Welsh would have any problem with using "J" to indicate junction, as in Ireland they sometimes use "J" to indicate junction and Irish, a Celtic language related to Welsh, also doesn't use the letter J in native words, yet there isn't any fuss regarding road signs. With such changes, I personally think junction numbers would be easier to view when driving at 60 - 80 mph on a dual carriageway.
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