NABRE

Going on holiday? Just returned with pictures or news? Found an interesting website? Post everything international in here.

Moderator: Site Management Team

Post Reply
User avatar
jackal
Member
Posts: 8053
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2008 23:33
Location: M6

Re: NABRE

Post by jackal »

Nic wrote:Google Maps has a far more update ariel picture of the construction in Knoxville.
Apparently the south-eastern portion of what I was calling the James White Parkway is actually the South Knoxville Boulevard. Also, the central section which was previously D2 has actually been more than doubled in width - it's five lanes eastbound.
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

Found a nice little website comparing arial photos in Atlanta. 50s/60s vs Modern Day. Good for some construction pictures of I-75/I-85 and I-20 yjrough Downtown, as well as just the vastness of the modern Unrban Interstate.

[CLICKY]
Nic
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

File this one under "I fought the law, and, the law did not win"

Not strictly speaking about roads, but pretty near

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/0 ... 23822.html
Nic
Comstock
Banned
Posts: 4199
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 15:57
Location: Derby

Re: NABRE

Post by Comstock »

SAACRE?

Society for All American and Canadian Road Enthusiasts?

I'm amazed there isn't such a thing already, actually, given how americans like road trips.
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

So, I-10 really likes New Orleans. On its journey from Santa Monica to Jacksonville, it has two opportunities to avoid NOLA.

First, it leaves the mainline in Baton Rouge, creating the relatively short I-12 (In US terms) - which eventually just turns back into the I-10.
Second, when it gets to actual New Orleans, it uses it oxbow to get nearer to the center of town, rather than taking the rather more direct I-610, which again turns back into the I-10. It must really like the Sugar Bowl.

Both of these are arguably TOTSOs in both directions.

Crazy 'Mericans
Nic
User avatar
Truvelo
Member
Posts: 17750
Joined: Wed May 29, 2002 21:10
Location: Staffordshire
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Truvelo »

Here's my thinking behind the circuitous route of I-10. More traffic starts and finishes in New Orleans than passes through the state. If this is so then that also explains why I-10 heads into the centre of New Orleans instead of following I-610. No one, apart from Sabristi on a roadtrip, would ever use I-10 from Baton Rouge all the way to Slidell.

In all reality the numbering in the area should be tidied up a little. I-12 is worthy of more than just a bypass for New Orleans. I would move I-10 onto that alignment. The present I-10 could then become I-610.
How would you like your grade separations, Sir?
Big and complex.
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

Truvelo wrote: In all reality the numbering in the area should be tidied up a little. I-12 is worthy of more than just a bypass for New Orleans. I would move I-10 onto that alignment. The present I-10 could then become I-610.
Agreed, but you could save I-12 for something even better, because the I-59 starts at the I-10/I-12 Intersection. Why not let the I-10 follow the bypass route, and start I-59 in New Orleans, or even at Baton Rouge?
Nic
User avatar
ScottB5411
Member
Posts: 4153
Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2010 20:04
Location: St. Louis, Missouri, USA

Re: NABRE

Post by ScottB5411 »

Nic wrote:
Truvelo wrote: In all reality the numbering in the area should be tidied up a little. I-12 is worthy of more than just a bypass for New Orleans. I would move I-10 onto that alignment. The present I-10 could then become I-610.
Agreed, but you could save I-12 for something even better, because the I-59 starts at the I-10/I-12 Intersection. Why not let the I-10 follow the bypass route, and start I-59 in New Orleans, or even at Baton Rouge?
That would put I-59 out of sequence, it would need I-51 or I-53 If it started at Baton Rouge ;-)

NB Then again, I-49 will start at the superdome in NOLA whenever they get around to finishing it, so that will be out of sequence also
How about some more beans Mr. Taggart?
User avatar
Bryn666
Elected Committee Member
Posts: 36902
Joined: Thu Jun 20, 2002 20:54
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Bryn666 »

I got the impression that AASHTO haven't been able to argue against freeways numbered by Congress, c.f. I-99 and potential I-3 in Georgia.
Bryn
Terminally cynical, unimpressed, and nearly Middle Age already.
She said life was like a motorway; dull, grey, and long.

Blog - https://showmeasign.online/
BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/showmeasignbryn.bsky.social
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@BrynBuck
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

Drove down to Atlanta over the weekend, and a couple of things spring to mind.

The NorthWest Corridor on the I-75 is coming on nicely. This is a 40-ish mile expressway, built on stilts for a lot of the road which will be one way into Atlanta in the morning rush hour, and vice versa in the evening rush hour. It looks pretty exclusive, not intersecting with intermediate intersections.

Also, on the I-85 they have red-x's above the hard shoulder, in what I'm assuming is some form of ATM scheme.
Nic
User avatar
KeithW
Member
Posts: 20352
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2014 13:25
Location: Marton-In-Cleveland North Yorks

Re:

Post by KeithW »

Nic wrote:
So, a few more musings. On Interstates (Which is very much a Motorway equivelent) there are no such things as MSAs. Each junction (more on junctions later) has information about lodgings, petrol stations and fast fooderies, and there is generally a choice for all three at every junction.
There are some rest areas on Interstates but in general there are no services as there is a federal ban on private businesses on them. There are however some exceptions such as the Woodrow Wilson Service Area on I-95 where it runs along the NJ Turnpike.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Phi ... 2215?hl=en

These are mainly on expressways that predate the Interstate System, in fact any such area trading before 1960 on a road that became part of the Interstate System was able to stay open.

There are also what we would call Motorways in some states that were never adopted by the Federal Government and thus also have service areas such as the Florida Turnpike.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/26.08 ... !3e0?hl=en
User avatar
KeithW
Member
Posts: 20352
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2014 13:25
Location: Marton-In-Cleveland North Yorks

Re: NABRE

Post by KeithW »

Truvelo wrote:Here's my thinking behind the circuitous route of I-10. More traffic starts and finishes in New Orleans than passes through the state. If this is so then that also explains why I-10 heads into the centre of New Orleans instead of following I-610. No one, apart from Sabristi on a roadtrip, would ever use I-10 from Baton Rouge all the way to Slidell.

In all reality the numbering in the area should be tidied up a little. I-12 is worthy of more than just a bypass for New Orleans. I would move I-10 onto that alignment. The present I-10 could then become I-610.
The Interstates were a federal project built primarily for the US Department of Defence during the Cold War. The enabling legislation was initially referred to as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act of 1956. Its major champion was Dwight D Eisenhower who had been horrified by how long it took to get a military road convoy across the USA in 1919. The intent was to provide a system that in wartime would link major military bases and ports to enable rapid deployment of troops either overseas or within the continental USA . I-10 was one of the earliest to be planned in 1956 and was specifically intended to link the military ports and bases in the LA area to Phoenix Arizona, the White Sands Missile Base and Holloman AFB in New Mexico, the military complexes and ports in Houston, Mobile, NOLA, Pensacola and Jacksonville Florida.

I-12 the direct route is a much later road built in the late 60's and has much less military significance being mainly intended for commercial traffic. Think of is as the New Orleans bypass :)
User avatar
Nic
Member
Posts: 6517
Joined: Tue Mar 18, 2003 22:39
Location: Georgia, USA
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Nic »

What's with the sideways traffic lights, Nebraska?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8591477 ... 312!8i6656
Nic
User avatar
Truvelo
Member
Posts: 17750
Joined: Wed May 29, 2002 21:10
Location: Staffordshire
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Truvelo »

I've seen them elsewhere as well. Perhaps it's to do with the height of the bracket they're mounted on and the relevant clearance beneath or maybe it creates less wind resistance resulting in less damage in stormy weather.
How would you like your grade separations, Sir?
Big and complex.
User avatar
Chris Bertram
Member
Posts: 16028
Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2001 12:30
Location: Birmingham, England

Re: NABRE

Post by Chris Bertram »

Nic wrote:What's with the sideways traffic lights, Nebraska?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8591477 ... 312!8i6656
Common in quite a few US states, and I think Canadian provinces as well. But only on far-side mast arm signals. Pole mounted signals are vertical.
“The quality of any advice anybody has to offer has to be judged against the quality of life they actually lead.” - Douglas Adams.

Did you know there's more to SABRE than just the Forums?
Add your roads knowledge to the SABRE Wiki today!
Have you browsed SABRE Maps recently? Try getting involved!
User avatar
Bryn666
Elected Committee Member
Posts: 36902
Joined: Thu Jun 20, 2002 20:54
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Bryn666 »

Quite frequently done in Japan as well. I think it is about wind loading more than anything.

Major problems occur if neighbouring jurisdictions haven't standardised the position of the red signal. Quebec gets around it by using multicoloured aspects.
Bryn
Terminally cynical, unimpressed, and nearly Middle Age already.
She said life was like a motorway; dull, grey, and long.

Blog - https://showmeasign.online/
BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/showmeasignbryn.bsky.social
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@BrynBuck
bart
Member
Posts: 522
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 22:36
Location: Hawaii, USA

Re: NABRE

Post by bart »

Here's one down the road from me that's horizontal simply so it can fit under an awning (far right corner of intersection).

https://goo.gl/maps/VADKoAxqMBp
User avatar
Truvelo
Member
Posts: 17750
Joined: Wed May 29, 2002 21:10
Location: Staffordshire
Contact:

Re: NABRE

Post by Truvelo »

bart wrote:Here's one down the road from me that's horizontal simply so it can fit under an awning (far right corner of intersection).

https://goo.gl/maps/VADKoAxqMBp
I would have made the store owner pay for the unusual installation.

Is the streetlighting round there low pressure sodium (SOX)?
How would you like your grade separations, Sir?
Big and complex.
User avatar
trencheel303
Account deactivated at user request
Posts: 257
Joined: Wed Jun 11, 2014 20:24
Location: England

Re: NABRE

Post by trencheel303 »

Truvelo wrote:
bart wrote:Here's one down the road from me that's horizontal simply so it can fit under an awning (far right corner of intersection).

https://goo.gl/maps/VADKoAxqMBp
I would have made the store owner pay for the unusual installation.

Is the streetlighting round there low pressure sodium (SOX)?
it sure looks like it. those are SOX lanterns, not fluorescent.
bart
Member
Posts: 522
Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 22:36
Location: Hawaii, USA

Re: NABRE

Post by bart »

Yes they are. With a collection of the best astronomical telescopes just 20-ish miles away on top of Maunakea, there's a big effort to limit light pollution.
Post Reply