Cambridge has several - mostly controlling access to the city centre - I've certainly head of cars being impaled and subsequently written off - and then the owners being asked to foot the bill for the repair of the bollard.
There was an item about these on the NW BBC news a week or two back.
People attempting to 'nip' through after the busses in city centre Manchester. The bollard comes up really quickly and only a few seconds after the bus has cleared it. had a 'council bloke' saying it's impossible to follow the bus, and it would be madness to try. they had a pic of a 206 with the front wheel smashed off after trying.
My home town of Hamilton was the first place in Scotland to install them, in the early nineties. Perhaps it was an early model, but they actually raised very slowly. Kids used to stand on top and enjoy a lift! They seemed very prone to breaking down, however, and they were often lowered and switched off.
The bollard in question is right in the middle of the area that was blown up by the IRA in 1996, and has been converted into a bus only area - before that it was generally open to all vehicles.
I think some people haven't quite realised this yet!
Bryn Traffic/Road Safety Dogsbody and General Grumpy Now-a-Thirtysomething Man She said life was like a motorway; dull, grey, and long.
no more than two years ago that was open to all traffic, as I nearly got ran over by a bus cos i didn't look when crossing!
this is near the new Arndale extension area, near M&S, Slefridges, and Harvey Nicks.
There is a similar bollard in York.
Trouble is, it's only on one side of the road, so all the townies in their peugeot 105's just zip onto the wrong side of the road and go through!
Also, the bollard seems to fail every tuesday, at about 10.30 - sometimes it makes it 3 weeks without failing during restriction hours, but not often.
And by failing I don't mean it stays down, I mean it doesn't go down even the light shows green. many a volvo B6 has had to have new bumpers because of this! Also, an ambulance on emergency call got beached as the bollard went down and immediatly back up again!
I am all for closing up certain city-center streets to allow tourists better access to the cities' functions, however a serious re-think is needed as to how exactly these bollards work. I haven't heard yet of one that hasn't damaged authorised traffic.
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Derek wrote:Totally agree, what a bunch of ! It's not as if the "NO ENTRY" are hard to see after all.
It seems to me grossly disproportionate and absolutely outrageous to be wrecking people's cars (and potentially inflicting serious injury) simply for contravening an access restriction. I thought we had long seen the back of barbaric mediaeval justice in this country.
Would it be acceptable to attack your house with a ball and chain if you fell behind with your council tax?
If they have to have these things (which I don't accept they do anyway) then surely they must be configured so that there is no way they can rise up if a vehicle is approaching or on top of them.
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Derek wrote:Totally agree, what a bunch of ! It's not as if the "NO ENTRY" are hard to see after all.
It seems to me grossly disproportionate and absolutely outrageous to be wrecking people's cars (and potentially inflicting serious injury) simply for contravening an access restriction. I thought we had long seen the back of barbaric mediaeval justice in this country.
Well TBH, it could cause serious injury through smacking your head on the windscreen, albeit not wearing a seatbelt, as per white van man in that clip.
I think the posts are somewhat OTT. What's wrong with a fine / points via ANPR? (t'would be 3 points as contravening a No Entry sign, I believe)
My wife and I were in Manchester and walked down that road just as the ambulance were taking the 206's occupants away. The 206 was in a mess; and its airbags had gone off.
And while it blocked the road the city centre buses couldn't get through meaning their passengers were severly inconvenienced.
Speaking to a nearby shopkeeper he reckoned something like it happened once or twice a month.
Tony
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I disagree with the idea that the council is wrecking peoples cars; it is the drivers who are wrecking their own cars by driving in to a physical object with blatent disregard for the No Entry signs and the red STOP indicator.
Is it a car park operators fault if a vehicle waiting to get in to or out of a car park drives in to the barrier because they decided to follow the car in front in to the car park without heeding the requirement to stop?
What about toll booths? These too only have red/green indicators. Is it the toll operators fault if a vehicle subsequently drives through the barrier without heeding the notices to stop and pay?
This is blatent driver stupidity and they deserve all the damage they get. It is NOT barbaric medieaval justice, its modern day public stupidity and complacency and the "well it surely wont apply to me" attitude.
Whilst I confess some schadenfreude-type glee watching the foolish drivers (as per 'You've Been Framed' et al), I feel that a wrecked car and possible serious injury does seem a high price to pay for a minor altercation, albeit one of stupidity.
I, for one, would be utterly seething. The punishment is far in excess of the crime, and more likely to catch out non-locals.
boing_uk wrote:I disagree with the idea that the council is wrecking peoples cars; it is the drivers who are wrecking their own cars by driving in to a physical object with blatent disregard for the No Entry signs and the red STOP indicator.
As some vehicles are allowed through, it is not a conventional NO ENTRY sign. I'm sure most people who fall foul of these bollards do so because they are confused rather than deliberately trying it on.
This is blatent driver stupidity and they deserve all the damage they get. It is NOT barbaric medieaval justice, its modern day public stupidity and complacency and the "well it surely wont apply to me" attitude.
I still don't accept wrecking a car possibly worth £10k or more is an acceptable punishment for stupidity.
If this system is needed, then surely there should be conventional red lights with the bollards only rising a few seconds after the lights have changed to red (as with a level crossing). If you've never come across such a thing before it is not remotely obvious.
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SubaruImprezaWRX wrote:
I, for one, would be utterly seething. The punishment is far in excess of the crime, and more likely to catch out non-locals.
But you have to pass a no-entry sign, there are various warning signs, and the only real way you can get stuck on one is if you follow the bus very closley, knowing that the bollard will rise.
PeterA5145 wrote:surely there should be conventional red lights with the bollards only rising a few seconds after the lights have changed to red (as with a level crossing). If you've never come across such a thing before it is not remotely obvious.