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Post by mehere » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:56

I was wondering when is work to start? I have seen surveyors parked up last week and all the fences seem to have notices pinned.

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Post by jcb336 » Sat Jan 06, 2007 13:41

Good question-my last info from the Agency was the spring.
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Post by highwaymana31 » Sat Jan 06, 2007 19:34

If the works involve ground clearance they would be likely to start soon as bird nesting season is March to September when they can't be disturbed
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Post by luchar » Sat Jan 06, 2007 21:24

Just a question: is the whole upgrade to motorway of the A1 between London and Newcastle planned ? Or just a few sections ?

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Post by Steven » Sat Jan 06, 2007 22:28

luchar wrote:Just a question: is the whole upgrade to motorway of the A1 between London and Newcastle planned ? Or just a few sections ?
The entire section between the M25 and Gateshead was planned to be upgraded to motorway in 1994.

However, that was cancelled in 1997, and now it's only the sections north of the Doncaster Bypass that are due to be upgraded to motorway.
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Post by C83 » Sat Jan 06, 2007 23:55

There also doesn't appear to be any intention of upgrading the 2 lane (but already motorway) section around Durham, unless they're assuming that enough traffic will turn off onto the A66.

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Post by True Yorkie » Sun Jan 07, 2007 00:27

Steven wrote:
luchar wrote:Just a question: is the whole upgrade to motorway of the A1 between London and Newcastle planned ? Or just a few sections ?
The entire section between the M25 and Gateshead was planned to be upgraded to motorway in 1994.

However, that was cancelled in 1997, and now it's only the sections north of the Doncaster Bypass that are due to be upgraded to motorway.
Oh well, If I go up to newcastle in the future, it'll be good to know I'll be on a proper motorway :D
C83 wrote:There also doesn't appear to be any intention of upgrading the 2 lane (but already motorway) section around Durham, unless they're assuming that enough traffic will turn off onto the A66.
I'd personally think (as you've said) a fair amount of traffic would go onto the A66 there. Just as a lot of traffic comes off the A1 onto the A64 (eastbound), not all that traffic is for york or the east coast - a fair amount goes onto the A19 northbound. I'd expect a lot of freight would turn off onto the A66 for teesport.

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I've just thought: will they simply improve the existing road, or build a whole new road parallel to the existing A1? (I haven't read much about it yet). On the north side of bramham crossroads there is a local road on the right-hand-side (if viewed on multimap) that I think was the old A1 before the crossroads was altered for the A1/M1 scheme. What would happen at the bramham area, where the A1 is 'boxed in' by bramham village on one side, and a manor on the other side?
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Post by stu531 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:14

The existing 3-lane A1 won't need so much work to get it up to D3M quality - it's pretty much already there. Between Wetherby Grange and Aberford, the main bits of work are the removal of the south-bound lay-by between Boston Spa and Bramham, and the closure of the Bramham (Tenter Hill) junction - it wouldn't be part of a motorway network.

So the road to the east of the A1 between Aberford and Bramham will be upgraded to a single-carriageway, similar standard to the Aberford road, to connect to the old A1 at Bramham. Then it will run on the western side of the A1 from Tenter Hill to the A659 junction.

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Post by MJN » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:28

True Yorkie wrote: I'd expect a lot of freight would turn off onto the A66 for teesport.
Surely Teesport traffic from the south would use the A168/A19/A66 from Thirsk? Unless of course it joined the A1 north of here.

Hopefully I didn't misread that...

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Post by A303Paul » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:53

Steven wrote:
luchar wrote:Just a question: is the whole upgrade to motorway of the A1 between London and Newcastle planned ? Or just a few sections ?
The entire section between the M25 and Gateshead was planned to be upgraded to motorway in 1994.

However, that was cancelled in 1997, and now it's only the sections north of the Doncaster Bypass that are due to be upgraded to motorway.
Have any plans been published for Doncaster - M62?

I would not be surprised if Baldock - Alconbury eventually gets upgraded.

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Post by MatthewB6323 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:45

A303Paul wrote: Have any plans been published for Doncaster - M62?
The current state of affairs seems to be that included in a report found at this address: www.gos.gov.uk/goyh/docs/199734/199807/352620. It's a Word document, and while the scheme is mentioned in several places, pages 24-25 are the most relevant:
5.36 The A1 Redhouse – Darrington improvement will help contribute to the regional priority of improving north-south strategic road links. Whilst the scheme scores well, and is an important scheme for the region, it does not help to deliver the two highest priority outcome identified in the RTS, and does not demonstrate as strong a policy fit as the other schemes named here under prioritisation. It is understood that whilst this, and the A160/A180 Improvements and A63 Castle Street are all being considered in the identification of priorities under the Northern Way connectivity stream, the latter two named are regarded as being important in the next 5-10 years, whereas the A1 Redhouse – Darrington improvement is being examined as part of the 10-20 year programme. Thus, whilst the prioritisation identifies the scheme as an important one for the region, because of affordability and programming issues, it is recommended that this scheme is considered to be of longer term importance, rather than for inclusion within advice to government in the period to 2015/16.
Elsewhere the A1(M) improvements with which Redhouse-Ferrybridge was joined are treated as entirely a Highways Agency scheme and not related to regional funding decisions. There was, a few months ago, a discussion document for the relevant local authorities online which described the route of the proposed A1(M) from Redhouse to Ferrybridge, but I can't find it at the moment.
A303Paul wrote:I would not be surprised if Baldock - Alconbury eventually gets upgraded.
Agreed, though the only plans on the table (without a route having been published, and unlikely to proceed before 2016) are those for the A1 Sandy and Beeston By-pass.

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Post by Bryn666 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:49

I'd personally think (as you've said) a fair amount of traffic would go onto the A66 there. Just as a lot of traffic comes off the A1 onto the A64 (eastbound), not all that traffic is for york or the east coast - a fair amount goes onto the A19 northbound. I'd expect a lot of freight would turn off onto the A66 for teesport.
They'd have to add a D2 Darlington bypass into the contract for that to be feasible I suggest but it seems to be a good idea.
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Post by True Yorkie » Sun Jan 07, 2007 17:31

MJN wrote:
True Yorkie wrote: I'd expect a lot of freight would turn off onto the A66 for teesport.
Surely Teesport traffic from the south would use the A168/A19/A66 from Thirsk? Unless of course it joined the A1 north of here.

Hopefully I didn't misread that...
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Post by Roadtripper_Ian » Sun Jan 07, 2007 18:55

Bryn666 wrote:
I'd personally think (as you've said) a fair amount of traffic would go onto the A66 there. Just as a lot of traffic comes off the A1 onto the A64 (eastbound), not all that traffic is for york or the east coast - a fair amount goes onto the A19 northbound. I'd expect a lot of freight would turn off onto the A66 for teesport.
They'd have to add a D2 Darlington bypass into the contract for that to be feasible I suggest but it seems to be a good idea.
Its simple. Extend the A66(M) south of the current Darlo bypass, give proper access to Teeside airport, then merge the motorway into the Stockton Bypass section of A66. Run motorway status through 'Boro and give it to the A689 - A174 section of A19(M) at the same time.

Hang on, this is 2056 isn't it?
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Post by mehere » Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:22

SO back to the question at hand does anyone have any idea of a start date?

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Post by Mark Hewitt » Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:44

You would think that a lot of traffic would leave the A1 n/b to go to the A66, but it doesn't. It gets busier, and upgrade to D3M will needed soon.

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Post by RichardA35 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 13:23

mehere wrote:SO back to the question at hand does anyone have any idea of a start date?
Work in respect of detail design and environmental mitigation have already started.
As Glenn said higher up there are envronmental and ecological constraints and these mean that actual construction will start in spring 2007. (It's also generally a bit too wet for eartmoving until after Easter)

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Post by Bryn666 » Mon Jan 08, 2007 16:49

Its simple. Extend the A66(M) south of the current Darlo bypass, give proper access to Teeside airport, then merge the motorway into the Stockton Bypass section of A66. Run motorway status through 'Boro and give it to the A689 - A174 section of A19(M) at the same time.

Hang on, this is 2056 isn't it?
Unfortunately so! Would be good to see though - the A19 is deserving to be a motorway in its own right; Teeside is a large conurbation. Built up areas smaller than that in Germany have motorway networks, after all.
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Re: A1(M) BRAMHAM WETHERBY

Post by DeightonDriver » Mon Jan 08, 2007 17:30

mehere wrote:I was wondering when is work to start? I have seen surveyors parked up last week and all the fences seem to have notices pinned.
I've been waiting for signs of a contractors depot or something to appear, but not noticed anything as yet. But I don't travel further south than the A659 junction most of the time, so I wouldn't necessarily see it. But as has already been said, between Bramham crossroads and Wetherby Grange it won't take much to upgrade the existing road. The section around Wetherby to link into the Wetherby-Walshford section of A(1)M requires a new bridge over the river Wharfe and asymmetric widening to the east of the existing carriageway, so that will be very obvious when it gets going.

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Post by DeightonDriver » Thu Jan 11, 2007 09:22

The road orders were published in the Wetherby News last Friday

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