Counties which lack any full D2 Dual Carriageways.

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Counties which lack any full D2 Dual Carriageways.

Post by SirKnoes » Tue May 31, 2016 20:21

After seeing the list of counties which don't have any motorways, I couldn't help but wonder which counties don't even have any Dual Carriageways, as in, dual 2 lane roads. I put forward Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire only just escapes the list with a very short section of D2 in Haverfordwest. Tapers don't count.
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Post by Was92now625 » Tue May 31, 2016 20:57

A short stretch in a town e.g. an 'avenue' as opposed to a 'road' can be hard to detect.

A quick glance suggests Shetland, Orkney, Caithness, Sutherland, Argyll, Bute, Kirkudbright, Peebles, Selkirk, Roxburgh but there may be some subtly (or not so subtly) hiding.

Ross and Cromarty has the section of A9 from Kessock to Tore on the Black Isle.

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Post by Was92now625 » Tue May 31, 2016 21:10

Almost added Clackmannan but there is a short stretch just to the east of Alloa

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Post by rileyrob » Tue May 31, 2016 22:05

Argyll has a very short piece of D1 on the A85 at the Corran Halls in Oban, and the famous D1 on the A848 on Mull. There is also Hall Street in Campbeltown which is sort of D2.
The A75 is dualled in both Kirkcudbright and Wigtown shires.
The approach to Dounreay in Caithness is dualled, but not sure if it's a public road, so may not count.
The approach to the high school and leisure cane in Aberystwyth is also dualled, but again it may not count.
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Post by Was92now625 » Tue May 31, 2016 22:17

rileyrob wrote: The A75 is dualled in both Kirkcudbright and Wigtown shires.
Yes, found the Wigtownshire bit east of Glenluce. Not yet found the Kircudbright
rileyrob wrote: The approach to Dounreay in Caithness is dualled, but not sure if it's a public road, so may not count.
Yes, was looking for approaches to airports but hadn't tried large industry yet.

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Post by rileyrob » Tue May 31, 2016 22:27

If I remember correctly, the county boundary skirts the western edge of Dumfries, so the dualled bit of A75 a couple of miles or so west of Dumfries is in Kircudbrightshire.
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Post by djw1981 » Tue May 31, 2016 22:31

I thought that the Nith was the county boundary....

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Post by Owain » Tue May 31, 2016 22:36

Fermanagh.
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Post by Hagbard » Tue May 31, 2016 22:39

Roxburghshire is debateable. Is this a short D2 or a very long traffic island?

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Post by Hagbard » Tue May 31, 2016 22:49

Was92now625 wrote:Almost added Clackmannan but there is a short stretch just to the east of Alloa
If you're thinking of the A907 that's actually D1. However, there is short stretch of D2 in Alloa town centre.

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Post by SirKnoes » Tue May 31, 2016 23:09

Hagbard wrote:Roxburghshire is debateable. Is this a short D2 or a very long traffic island?
I'd say it is. There is a very similar situation on the northern end of the Cardigan bypass, and just before the carriageways merge, there are "Dual carriageway ends" warning signs.

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Post by Glom » Wed Jun 01, 2016 00:32

Does Isle of Wight count as a county? Or is that part of Hampshire?

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Post by Bfivethousand » Wed Jun 01, 2016 01:50

Glom wrote:Does Isle of Wight count as a county? Or is that part of Hampshire?
Doesn't matter, Medina Way in Newport means it doesn't qualify anyway.

There can't be many duals in Powys?


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Post by Owain » Wed Jun 01, 2016 04:02

Glom wrote:Does Isle of Wight count as a county? Or is that part of Hampshire?
It is a county in its own right, but I'm afraid it has a stretch of d/c in Newport.
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Post by rileyrob » Wed Jun 01, 2016 07:45

I'm struggling to find a d/c in Radnorshire.
Also can't think of any in either Nairn or Banffshires, although the former is obviously getting a bypass in the next 5 or so years.
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Post by Owain » Wed Jun 01, 2016 09:45

I already mentioned Fermanagh, which must be the only one in NI, but if we step over the border there must be quite a few on the western edge of the RoI. Places like Kerry, Mayo, Cavan, Leitrim, Roscommon ...
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Post by Ritchie333 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:02

A small bit of the Tralee bypass is D2, so that's Kerry out, I think the dualled N3 just gets over the boundary into Co. Cavan, and a bit of the M6 nudges into Co. Roscommon. I think you're right about Mayo though, that's almost a textbook definition of "middle of nowhere".
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Post by Owain » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:12

Ritchie333 wrote:A small bit of the Tralee bypass is D2, so that's Kerry out, I think the dualled N3 just gets over the boundary into Co. Cavan, and a bit of the M6 nudges into Co. Roscommon. I think you're right about Mayo though, that's almost a textbook definition of "middle of nowhere".
Hmpf, that's a shame .... I thought I was onto a winning run there!

I deliberately omitted Donegal because of the short section outside Letterkenny, and Sligo because of the section into Sligo.

I think Leitrim qualifies, though.
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Post by Rob590 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:05

I imagine that in England, we'd have to be dropping down to Non-metropolitan districts to find local authorities without any, and even then we may struggle.

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Post by Steven » Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:08

Rob590 wrote:I imagine that in England, we'd have to be dropping down to Non-metropolitan districts to find local authorities without any, and even then we may struggle.
I would doubt that there are any historic counties or Highway Authority areas in England that don't have a reasonable amount. Even Westmorland and Rutland (who you'd think would be the prime candidates) have M6 and A1 respectively.
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