Do we have a new candidate for "The xx is the only road that..."
The A601(M) is the only motorway downgraded to a B road ?
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Do we have a new candidate for "The xx is the only road that..."
The signage is a complete mess, at the moment it's a spontaneous motorway but nothing tells you this. The former motorway length has the same restrictions as the A6144(M) now has so what's the point?Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 08:15Do we have a new candidate for "The xx is the only road that..."
The A601(M) is the only motorway downgraded to a B road ?
I've not been up there since the Porsche dealers has opened, but given there was already access to the land from here, surely they could quite easily put a foot/cycle access in here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carnf ... d-2.768112Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:15
The signage is a complete mess, at the moment it's a spontaneous motorway but nothing tells you this. The former motorway length has the same restrictions as the A6144(M) now has so what's the point?
Also you can't legally walk or cycle to the Porsche dealers, so nice bit of discriminatory design there. Anyone fancy an Equalities Act test case?
They replaced the left hand flag, it's now a tiny B6601 sign on the same giant lattix. The ancient M6 sign still hasn't been touched.c2R wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:23I've not been up there since the Porsche dealers has opened, but given there was already access to the land from here, surely they could quite easily put a foot/cycle access in here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carnf ... d-2.768112Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:15
The signage is a complete mess, at the moment it's a spontaneous motorway but nothing tells you this. The former motorway length has the same restrictions as the A6144(M) now has so what's the point?
Also you can't legally walk or cycle to the Porsche dealers, so nice bit of discriminatory design there. Anyone fancy an Equalities Act test case?
As for the signage, it was always a bit of a mess - who can forget this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283638 ... 312!8i6656
And then they must have had some spare lattix when they replaced it with this beauty, but didn't also replace the M6 flag which was showing its age...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283585 ... 384!8i8192
The prohibition is tied to the temporary speed limit order, and justified on the basis of allowing the completion of development - Lancashire TRO. N.b. it has been amended to extend that date to 31st October 2021.c2R wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:23I've not been up there since the Porsche dealers has opened, but given there was already access to the land from here, surely they could quite easily put a foot/cycle access in here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carnf ... d-2.768112Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:15
The signage is a complete mess, at the moment it's a spontaneous motorway but nothing tells you this. The former motorway length has the same restrictions as the A6144(M) now has so what's the point?
Also you can't legally walk or cycle to the Porsche dealers, so nice bit of discriminatory design there. Anyone fancy an Equalities Act test case?
As for the signage, it was always a bit of a mess - who can forget this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283638 ... 312!8i6656
And then they must have had some spare lattix when they replaced it with this beauty, but didn't also replace the M6 flag which was showing its age...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283585 ... 384!8i8192
Ah, I know Peter very well, I might have to send him a query about what the hell is going on because he is a signing expert and he'll be intrigued to see what nonsense is going up on his network.solocle wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 12:07The prohibition is tied to the temporary speed limit order, and justified on the basis of allowing the completion of development - Lancashire TRO. N.b. it has been amended to extend that date to 31st October 2021.c2R wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:23I've not been up there since the Porsche dealers has opened, but given there was already access to the land from here, surely they could quite easily put a foot/cycle access in here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Carnf ... d-2.768112Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:15
The signage is a complete mess, at the moment it's a spontaneous motorway but nothing tells you this. The former motorway length has the same restrictions as the A6144(M) now has so what's the point?
Also you can't legally walk or cycle to the Porsche dealers, so nice bit of discriminatory design there. Anyone fancy an Equalities Act test case?
As for the signage, it was always a bit of a mess - who can forget this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283638 ... 312!8i6656
And then they must have had some spare lattix when they replaced it with this beauty, but didn't also replace the M6 flag which was showing its age...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1283585 ... 384!8i8192
There's a recent consultation on what to do with it to support the masses of development in the area.Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
I mean you've got the A6 to the north, the B6254 to the south, so the road links two non-M-ways via a roundabout.
After all these years, I still don't get the 601 bit...Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
The handling of motorway spurs has never been very consistent but in the case of the A601(M) is understandable. In 1960 the M6 Lancaster bypass had its temporary terminus on the A6 which is where the A601(M) now terminates.Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 07:41After all these years, I still don't get the 601 bit...Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
If it is retained as a motorway, it would make *much* more sense to be A6(M) anyway...?!
It's just an accident of history, there's no logic behind the renumbering of a previously unnumbered spur to A601(M) when the southern bit was built in 1986. Your bafflement is quite justified.Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 07:41After all these years, I still don't get the 601 bit...Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
If it is retained as a motorway, it would make *much* more sense to be A6(M) anyway...?!
Particularly when it does not connect to the non-motorway A601 at any point. As we have noted here on many, many occasions.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:26It's just an accident of history, there's no logic behind the renumbering of a previously unnumbered spur to A601(M) when the southern bit was built in 1986. Your bafflement is quite justified.Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 07:41After all these years, I still don't get the 601 bit...Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
If it is retained as a motorway, it would make *much* more sense to be A6(M) anyway...?!
The A601 forms the Derby Inner Ring road, and as such loops tightly around the centre of Derby. It is composed of three distinct sections: a 1960s/70s grade separated dual carriageway (St Alkmund's Way), an earlier stretch of at-grade dual carriageway (Traffic Street and Bradshaw Way) and a stretch of modern dual and single carriageway, built or improved in the 2000s
You missed the memo about the secret Derby to Carnforth tunnel - I'm sure a B. Johnson will be along to promote it soon enough.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:58Particularly when it does not connect to the non-motorway A601 at any point. As we have noted here on many, many occasions.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 10:26It's just an accident of history, there's no logic behind the renumbering of a previously unnumbered spur to A601(M) when the southern bit was built in 1986. Your bafflement is quite justified.Micro The Maniac wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 07:41
After all these years, I still don't get the 601 bit...
If it is retained as a motorway, it would make *much* more sense to be A6(M) anyway...?!
The A601 forms the Derby Inner Ring road, and as such loops tightly around the centre of Derby. It is composed of three distinct sections: a 1960s/70s grade separated dual carriageway (St Alkmund's Way), an earlier stretch of at-grade dual carriageway (Traffic Street and Bradshaw Way) and a stretch of modern dual and single carriageway, built or improved in the 2000s
Don't give him ideas.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:59You missed the memo about the secret Derby to Carnforth tunnel - I'm sure a B. Johnson will be along to promote it soon enough.Chris Bertram wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:58Particularly when it does not connect to the non-motorway A601 at any point. As we have noted here on many, many occasions.
The A601 forms the Derby Inner Ring road, and as such loops tightly around the centre of Derby. It is composed of three distinct sections: a 1960s/70s grade separated dual carriageway (St Alkmund's Way), an earlier stretch of at-grade dual carriageway (Traffic Street and Bradshaw Way) and a stretch of modern dual and single carriageway, built or improved in the 2000s
Well, it looks like the remainder of the A601(M) will be de-specialised, too (no, I'm not quite sure that's the right phrase either ).Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
I mean you've got the A6 to the north, the B6254 to the south, so the road links two non-M-ways via a roundabout.
Looks like they'll be slapping that roundabout in the middle of it after all then.traffic-light-man wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 09:02Well, it looks like the remainder of the A601(M) will be de-specialised, too (no, I'm not quite sure that's the right phrase either ).Sunil_of_Yoxley wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 22:45 Does the remaining A601(M), the dual section, "need" to be a motorway?
I mean you've got the A6 to the north, the B6254 to the south, so the road links two non-M-ways via a roundabout.
That particular example does appear to have to have formally become an A-road within the past five years. The OS now shows it as part of the A38 although a least one new sign indicates it's an extension of the A430.