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Re: De-bypassed Towns?

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fridayy wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 21:48 Many towns with a roundabout infested S2 “bypass” will be de-bypassed in a few years, if it was even considered a bypass in the 1st place. I wonder how much money it would save to plan the new housing estates & bypasses properly.
May I introduce you to Burgess Hill? It's 50/50 as to whether to use the bypass or use the old road through the town centre (to be fair, this is still a B-road).
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Re: De-bypassed Towns?

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Chris Bertram wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 22:12
fridayy wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 21:48 Many towns with a roundabout infested S2 “bypass” will be de-bypassed in a few years, if it was even considered a bypass in the 1st place. I wonder how much money it would save to plan the new housing estates & bypasses properly.
May I introduce you to Burgess Hill? It's 50/50 as to whether to use the bypass or use the old road through the town centre (to be fair, this is still a B-road).
Never been there but google maps says it’s quicker to go through the centre by 2 mins, i assume it varies during the day however.

It’s similar in wellingborough, it’s quicker to go through the town centre than to use the bypass to get from each end of the A509.
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orudge wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 15:15 I guess both Dundee and Aberdeen were bypassed, then grew beyond their respective bypasses. Aberdeen has finally got a new one, Dundee looks unlikely to.
There was a mention of upgrades to the Kingsway - A90 - but all I can find is £650k for footpath work adjacent to the road and at the rate Tayside Contracts are working on it try next year for it to be open
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Re: De-bypassed Towns?

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ajuk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 01:50Kemble?
I saw this and thought "What", but if you mean the severing of the road that ran across what is now the airfield and the improvement so what is now the A429 then I see what you mean. Although I'd say Kemble isn't a town
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mfmman wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 18:05
ajuk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 01:50Kemble?
I saw this and thought "What", but if you mean the severing of the road that ran across what is now the airfield and the improvement so what is now the A429 then I see what you mean. Although I'd say Kemble isn't a town
Here's the map with odd looking road numbers in 1958 https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 3&layer=29

Kemble did get a bypass of West Lane by the 1961 map https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 4&layer=32
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Re: De-bypassed Towns?

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Ross Spur wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 19:01
mfmman wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 18:05
ajuk wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 01:50Kemble?
I saw this and thought "What", but if you mean the severing of the road that ran across what is now the airfield and the improvement so what is now the A429 then I see what you mean. Although I'd say Kemble isn't a town
Here's the map with odd looking road numbers in 1958 https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 3&layer=29

Kemble did get a bypass of West Lane by the 1961 map https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/ind ... 4&layer=32
Yes, I suppose I could have said De-bypassed places.
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Re: De-bypassed Towns?

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Rugeley A51. Built a 50mph bypass on the former power station 25 or so years ago with 5 roundabouts. It will soon have a new estate off a sneaky new developer roundabout they built a year ago on one of the longest stretches so expecting it to become 40mph after that.Have found it just as quick to use the old A51 through the town.

Another is possibly the first part of A34 north of Stafford to Stone with new development. Suppose there is still the M6 nearby as the bypass to it.
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Another lump on the skin of bypasses. A35 Bridport to have a rbt at the west end, where it meets the old road. As it is on a hill, there will be severe elevation problems for lorries. The speed limit was lowered to 50 when the recycling centre was plonked on the bypass at a newly signalised junction so now, it will be 40 throughout I would think. How to turn yet another bypass into a local road, mixing up traffic that was meant to be separated by.....building a bypass.



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