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- SouthWest Philip
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Following the successful outcome to my opening debate as a new member of the forum (B4027 - A Brief History) I know feel confident enough to start another.
Has anyone mentioned before these duplicated roads -
A594 - This can be found between Cockermouth and Maryport in Cumbria. The second is the Leicester Inner Ring Road.
A6177 - The Bradford Rind Road and also the recently renumbered road from Blackburn to Rawtenstall in Lancashire.
With regards to the A594 in Leicester I thought perhaps it might have been intended as a use for the apparantly vacant A564 number.
Can anyone enlighten me...?
I've got a curious duplication - the B1190 extends both east and west of Lincoln, to Horncastle (A158) via Bardneyandto near Saxilby (A57) via Doddington. If it's one continuous road, it must multiplex with three other roads (B1188, A15, A1434 (former A46)), and is the only B-road to cross Lincoln (an achievement the mighty A57 fails to manage). Alternatively, we have another duplicate.
Thanks for pointing this one out - I've now stumbled across the B1003 which I can add to the B1*** on the Roads List Pages. The B1000, B1001 and B1004 are all in Hertfordshire. Any offers for the B1002?
<< Has anyone mentioned before these duplicated roads >>
All the ones we know about areon Paul (A38)'s UK Roads site at http://www.angelfire.com/80s/pmberry0/u ... takes.html
<< A594 - This can be found between Cockermouth and Maryport in Cumbria. The second is the Leicester Inner Ring Road.>>
This has been mentioned a few times! I think Chris Bertram spotted it first.
<< A6177 - The Bradford Rind Road and also the recently renumbered road from Blackburn to Rawtenstall in Lancashire. >>
New to me! What was the number before? No, let me guess... A677 and they just shoved a "1" in it, right? Pathetic. The Highways Department in Blackburn should all be frogmarched down to SE1 to look at the register...
<< With regards to the A594 in Leicester I thought perhaps it might have been intended as a use for the apparantly vacant A564 number. >><A target=_top name=a564> Roads by 10 has the following. "This is..." at the beginning should presumably read "this used to be..."
[/url] So does anyone know whether this road or the Leicester Inner Ring is older? There's certainly some logic in what Philip says since the A563number was usedfor the Leicester Outer Ring.A564: A38 (nr Willington) - A6 (nr Aston-upon-Trent)
This is the Derby Southern Bypass, a motorway-standard primary road running between the A38 and the A6. It has recently been renumbered as part of the A50, and as a consequence the number is no more.
A677: Blackburn - Salmesbury/A59 (formerly Haslingden - Salmesbury)
A bit truncated now following the opening of the M65 and some buggering about with the numbering. Used to leave Haslingden for a good run over the moors (a theme amongst the 670s you'll notice) to Blackburn. This is now the B6236, following the renumbering of the parallel (and inferior) B6232 as the A6177 (note the added '1' to 'avoid' confusion). The reason for this presumably being that the B6232 has got a junction with the M65 (being the location of most of Blackburn's industrial estates), and the old A677 doesn't. However, to avoid traffic on the main A56 using either road as a 'short cut' (ie, the most direct and obvious route) to Blackburn, the A6177 is now signposted "Darwen", with an extra sign advising lorries to use the A56/M65 for Blackburn in case they think of cheating. So why renumber in the first place?.... Now the A677 starts in Blackburn, where it was always the link to Preston and the M6 (pre-M65), and had trunk road status. Now detrunked, it is still a primary route. Joins the A59 just east of the M6, and is a good road, in spite of 50 limit throughout. Never use it now though. [/url]
bloody hell you're right - i use both roads fairly often on my travelsand can't believe i never spotted this.
i wonder whose fault this actually is? the B6232 was officially renumbered when the M65 opened (December 1997), and was signed (by HA one imagines) from the motorway as "A6177" from day one of the m'way opening, but it took ages before all the existing B6232 signs along that route were replaced with the current number, which would presumably have been Lancs CC responsibility (I think the signs on the A56 only got updated last year or year b4 that). It seems to me that it was HA who decided upon this renumbering, rather than LCC doing it of their own steam and simply not doing their homework. I believe the Bradford version is a trunk route round the east of the city, and you would therefore think thatHA might have known better.
Thanks for the contribution on the B1003 and the extra bits about the B1190. I'm still baffled about why this road is so far away from its adjacent numbers. Anyway, my 1960 atlas has come up trumps again - I've found the B1005 - and it would appear that I've driven on it many times. It is now known as the A1060 and ran from Bishops Stortford to Hatfield Heath. I'll add that to the Roads List page