User talk:M5lenzar

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It may be a good idea to add a routebox to all the pages you create, saves going back later to add it jeni 19:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


It may be a good idea to add the Grid References for the 4 Digit A Roads as you go along, as I have done with all the 4 zone ones. It doesn't take that much extra work, I still managed to average 1 per min! jeni 17:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you wait until I finish doing the damn article.... I've just lost a load of edits...

The list of primary routes in your name is incomplete. I'm sure this was the idea There are many Axxx to add.(eg. A120/30)--Bob

It's adding them automatically M5lenzar 14:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 <Lenzar> Is there any rhyme or reason to the order you upload maps?

None whatsoever. :-) The map generator still needs work, and for more localised maps needs manual handling.

--nowster 06:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate Routebox

The routebox you removed was not a duplicate. It was an additional for the link to the M5. Please reinstate. User:Bob@romiley12000, 26 march 2009


At first it was decided(by Jeni) that routes would only be suitable for more than 5 miles.

This was subsequently overuled to 10 miles. Apparantly they can't be seen for anyhing less.

As a matter of routine I am deleting early requests for small mileages which have been ignored anyway

NB Presumably there is some system of me replying to your message - not starting again.

  If so how do I do it?

User Bob@Romiley1 1950.290309


Please give more information when uploading an image, rather than nothing at all, as you did with Image:A30Devon1.jpg. If you don't include information now, it will make things more difficult as more pictures are added, and we will end up with the pathetic situation that Coppermine is in, where nobody has a clue where half of the pictures are! jeni 15:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


Are you working on a more detailed junction list, rather than the one in the route box? If so I think that's a better idea :) But it may save time in the long run if we edit the existing junction templates (obviously test in a sandbox first) rather than start from scratch, if that makes sense? jeni 18:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok so you didn't go where I was expecting with that one! Let me know when you are finished playing, I may be able to "automate" it using the related pages system. jeni 18:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Get your arse in chat :-P .. it'll make this discussion easier ;-) jeni 18:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi, M5lenzar. In case you mightn't otherwise see it, may I invite you to take a look at my comments on this topic at Talk:A4063. If you'd care to make them there, I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have on the subject. :) -- Viator 13:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry (my bad, as they say, I believe, west of the Pond): I should have directed those remarks to Bob! But thanks for replying. -- Viator 15:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

A423 and A423(M)

Re your recent reversion in the A423 article:
Indeed the A423(M) was renumbered to A404(M) when the A423 was renumbered to A404, but that does not mean that there was ever any road south of the A4 classified and numbered A423. Before it was the A423(M) this line of motorway was numbered A4(M), and before that it was part of the M4 (as explained in the A423(M)'s own article). Can you demonstrate that the A423 -- as distinct from the A423(M) -- ever ran south of the current terminus of the A404 (former A423) at Maidenhead Thicket on the A4? -- Viator 12:13, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


This file you uploaded claims to be the M48 (original Severn Bridge) but shows three lanes of traffic. The original bridge has always had two lanes (frequently with one closed off). Also, could you try and give uploaded images more descriptive filenames as it makes reusing them elsewhere difficult. And if this is original work, how come the photographer name is not your name? --Ritchie333 08:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

File removed, thanks for the head's up. It was down as original work because my fiancée took it. M5lenzar 13:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Abandoned Roads

I like the idea, but how far are we going with this - for example the A82. Are the Old Military Road and Telford's sections to be included (abandoned in c1810/1933 respectively, but most of Telfords road has remained as an estate road and more recently the West Highland Way), or are we sticking to post war? Also, do we list every section separately, or only those with significant (over a mile?) gaps between them? And, while you mention Oxbows that are now laybys as not being included, what about stretches now used for a Cycle Track (A828 - it was abandoned, and has been bought back to life)

What I'm really getting at is that The A82 across Rannoch Moor and into Glencoe could have a2 or 3 or over 12 entries depending on what criteria we are using. There are so many abandoned sections running parallel to modern roads in the Highlands, that I could probably put over 100 in just from Lochaber and north Argyll if we list everything...

Transfer this to the Wiki Forum if you like. Rileyrob 17:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


I have sidestepped the A82 for now, and added half a dozen stretches of abandoned roads to the west of Fort William. Everything that I have included has been abandoned post war, is over 100m or so and no longer usable by vehicles (as a rule). Some stretches of them are still in use for access, but hopefully google earth will show that there are stretches that are now grassed over.

Have a look and let me know whether they are all the sort of thing you were thinking of. If you wish to delete any, feel free, but let me know why so that I can use the same 'rule' when adding more!Rileyrob 18:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


Hey Lenzar, I presume it was accidental, but in adding an infobox to Caernarfonshire, you inadvertently removed a factual sentence. I have now restored it. While I have got you, please try to remember to include the name parameter in infoboxes, the default is only supposed to be there as a "catch all" if people accidentally forget, this just makes it easier when we generate lists from infobox content. Jeni (talk) 13:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


Out of interest when did Matlock cease being the County Town of Derbyshire.?Bob 19:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I am going to revert that edit, numerous sources cite Matlock as the county down of Derbyshire. [1][2][3] Jeni (talk) 04:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
References to things like county towns should be avoided - surely Derby is the county town of Derbyshire in the context we use Derbyshire? M5lenzar 11:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Totally agree (oddly), county towns have no relevance in a roads wiki, its just something to fiddle about whilst Sabre burns around us ;) LOL Sources on Wikipedia also cite Derby as the county town in the "Traditional" context - Its another Yorkshire :-/ Haydn1971 19:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Historic Mapping

I think I must have missed the A280 on my run through Rx10 the other night for defunct roads missing any mapping. If you come across any other examples, can you stick the Map Request template on there? Ta! steven 15:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

As I split pages I'll add the tag where you haven't. M5lenzar 17:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

A374 (Donyatt - Colyford)

Where's Donyatt? I don't know. Where's Colyford? I don't know. Why not call it A374 (Somerset - Devon) or A374 (Chard - Seaton)?

I feel like a stuck record.... --Ritchie333 13:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I did state that Donyatt is near Chard and Colyford is on the south Devon coast in the disambig - is this no longer considered to be clear enough? M5lenzar 15:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Well I did a double take when I saw the page! I don't know if we reached a consensus on the wiki forums, so it might be worth just thrashing this out to do so. --Ritchie333 15:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

A273 DAB and original route

I'm a little confused by your undoing of my dab on the current A273 page. The original A273 ran from Ringmer to Holmes Hill (A22) and was re-classified to the B2124 at some point. The current A273 runs from the A272 at Haywards Heath to the A23 at Pyecombe. Does this not require a dab as they are two completely different routes? The B2124 page links (probably wrongly when you think about it) to the current A273 as there isn't an original A273 page (I was about to create it...) Ajk1982 21:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


Just to clarify, sixxsix is a friend of mine who is an avid photographer of everywhere around Sheffield and sends me a lot of his work. You can also find him on the Panoramio website, there are many other pictures as well as roads on there. Andyman


You originally added this road saying it was in Portsmouth.

Are you getting mixed up with the A3017? The A3018 definitely ran in Crowthorne until 1935, and unlike the A3017, I can't find mapping evidence of the A3018 resurfacing on maps from the 40s, 50s or 60s. --Ritchie333 13:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I added it from the original road lists at [4] which refer to it running in Portsmouth. M5lenzar 19:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thornton Heath Pond

I agree the image was not appropriate & have removed it from the A23 Named Junctions section. However the junction itself remains and again surely only the image should be deleleted?--Bob 18:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The junction page is fine - it was only the picture I added the deletion template to. M5lenzar 11:51, 18 August 2010 (BST)