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A recent drive out found me at St Ives, the pretty little Cambridgeshire (not Cornwall!) town which was home to Oliver Cromwell and had John Major as MP. Better known to me as where the worlds first pocket calculator and the amazing Sinclair Spectrum came from!
I soon spotted the works for the Busway and here are some pics.
I wonder where this goes?
They blocked the road off, maybe it wasn't finished!
So that's why the road I was on turned into a dirt track.
Big car park
Across the car park are some diggers parked on the bus route from St Ives town centre, also blocked off. The buildings are next to the main bus stop and may become ticket offices.
Last edited by Big Nick on Sun Oct 18, 2009 15:53, edited 1 time in total.
Bryn666 wrote:Yes, I hope that supplementary plate beneath the No Entry sign is site-approved...! And in any case it should read "Except for CGB buses"
The direction signs for "private road" and "all other routes" are horrible too - they shouldn't be flag signs as they are in advance of the junction. I doubt that "Private Road" is a legitimate destination legend. Why not just signpost St Ives, Huntingdon and wherever else properly to the left and leave the right turn unmarked?
B1040 wrote:The local paper is now grumbling because the schedule for the guided bus allows the same time as the regular bus which takes its chances on the A14.
The bus probably won't be able to go as fast on the busway as on a (relatively free-flowing) dual carriageway. And it will still get stuck in traffic on reaching Cambridge. A a single broken down bus on the guided busway would, I guess, have a similar effect on journey times as a breakdown on the A14.
Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
They were going to build one of these on the old Harcourt alignment in Dublin but thankfully were forced to build a tram instead.
I must say, I've never really gotten the guided bus thing.
murphaph wrote:Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
They were going to build one of these on the old Harcourt alignment in Dublin but thankfully were forced to build a tram instead.
I must say, I've never really gotten the guided bus thing.
Just a thought........ Seeing as it is a former railway and all, why not just reopen the thing.
murphaph wrote:Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
They were going to build one of these on the old Harcourt alignment in Dublin but thankfully were forced to build a tram instead.
I must say, I've never really gotten the guided bus thing.
I don't really get it either - I went on the O-Bahn in Adelaide which is essentially the same thing, and it was just strange. IIRC the speed limit on the O-Bahn was 100 km/h. In Brisbane they had a segregated bus route but it was basically just a separate (paved) road for buses only, which I would have thought would work much better.
murphaph wrote:I must say, I've never really gotten the guided bus thing.
Me neither. Looks to me like all the disadvantages of a railway combined with none of the advantages (other than that the same vehicles can use the rest of the road network).
murphaph wrote:Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
They were going to build one of these on the old Harcourt alignment in Dublin but thankfully were forced to build a tram instead.
I must say, I've never really gotten the guided bus thing.
Just a thought........ Seeing as it is a former railway and all, why not just reopen the thing.
Guided busways are most useful when a short length of guided route is to be provided on an otherwise conventional bus route. Here we have the opposite, the buses will spend most of the time on the dedicated track, only visiting normal streets at each end. For that, it would be cheaper and easier to lay nomal railwyas (tranmway) lines, using tram tracks for the street running. That's what Croydon did, very succesfully.
There are very few examples of guided busways in the world, and most of them are in the UK - Bradford (2.3km), Crawley (1.5km), Ipswich (200 metres: a second section has been closed), and Leeds (about 800m: like the A64(M), it's much longer in one direction than the other), as well as closed ones in Birmingham and Edinburgh (the latter being converted to a tramway). There is one each in Nagoya (6.5km), Adelaide (12km),
and Essen (another German one, in Mannheim, has closed)
The Cambridgeshire scheme, at 26km, will more than double the total length of busways in the world. I can't help feeling that there must be reason hardly anyone else is doing it!
For some reason i want to fit some stabalisers to a Transit and go down this guided busway .
On a more serious note, The sign which looks like a stop for a tram / rail station was probably done to make the system look fast paced and exciting. All that Leeds got was a banner stating that this is your guided busway and Bradford, well it got nowt as far as i can remember.
Oddly enough a G/Bw can be easily fitted between Brighouse and Huddersfield due to the wide central res.
murphaph wrote:Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
The justification given is that the busway is following the old railway alignment, which is too narrow for a standard S2 road. If they had just put down standard tarmac in the available footprint, it wouldn't be wide enough for two buses to safely pass each other without slowing right down -- therefore the only way to fit buses into the railway's width was to build a busway so that they can pass close together at high speed safely.
Of course, "safely" is a relative term when it seems like some local youth could dump a brick on the busway track and derail a bus, sending it flying off into the river, but I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen...
Big Nick wrote:How far to Cambridge?! Wish I could get a bus...
With the wind behind you and on flat ground, it could be done in just over an hour even if going a little slower, 90 mins would be acceptable for cycling it.
"God was probably very proud of Yorkshire when he had finished with it"
- Jeremy Clarkson
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murphaph wrote:Why didn't they just lay a road? It's hard to imagine this thing could be cheaper than standard asphalt construction, and as mentioned a breakdown looks like it would cause havoc.
The justification given is that the busway is following the old railway alignment, which is too narrow for a standard S2 road. If they had just put down standard tarmac in the available footprint, it wouldn't be wide enough for two buses to safely pass each other without slowing right down -- therefore the only way to fit buses into the railway's width was to build a busway so that they can pass close together at high speed safely.
Of course, "safely" is a relative term when it seems like some local youth could dump a brick on the busway track and derail a bus, sending it flying off into the river, but I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen...
even if going a little slower, 90 mins would be acceptable for cycling it.
