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Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
We have a 3-way mini roundabout nearby where quite regularly three vehicles arrive there all together all turning right. That's the same situation and everyone seems able to handle it fine. It's also difficult to imagine serious injuries arising just a few feet forward from a standing start.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 16:23 A traffic engineer can find it whatever they want, but if someone is seriously injured on this junction then that engineer will find themselves in court as their unlawful layout will be considered a contributory factor. It's quite simple and there's nothing to debate...
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
Most traffic through the junction (I'd guess 90%) is making the right-turn you suggest or its reverse so your suggestion is probably right. But why make the reverse movement give way? Perceived lack of space for the two main movements to pass perhaps?trickstat wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 12:53Maybe a lot of the traffic coming from the direction of the camera turns right and the give way on the downhill stops queues building up? That's the only plausible explananation I can come up with. However if only a small amount of traffic comes down that hill the right turn will generally not be a problem while if there is quite a lot of traffic there will be queueing at this give way line?the cheesecake man wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 12:46 Similar setup here. I've no idea why.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
How about this one I spotted in York last week?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.96503 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
Apologies for the multiple postings but while I remember here's an unusual but sensible uphill priority at the top of a well steep hill my driving instructor used to love sending me up:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.35334 ... 312!8i6656
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Have we had this 3-way give-way in Wolverhampton yet?
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
Here's something interesting in Ireland; although not the same it does suffer from some confusion of priority...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0055682 ... 384!8i8192
The street that you're on is one way in the direction the camera is facing. You can turn left or right, or go straight ahead. The left and right turns are one way away from this junction. Straight ahead is two way. The priority, however, isn't clear at all - locals ignore the marking on the road, and treat the movement from the camera to straight ahead as having priority, but would give way turning right. Traffic coming towards the camera and turning left has priority, but if it turns right it gives way.
I'd assume in the absence of give way signs that this is correct behaviour, but there must be a less ambiguous way of signing all this for drivers unfamiliar with the area.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0055682 ... 384!8i8192
The street that you're on is one way in the direction the camera is facing. You can turn left or right, or go straight ahead. The left and right turns are one way away from this junction. Straight ahead is two way. The priority, however, isn't clear at all - locals ignore the marking on the road, and treat the movement from the camera to straight ahead as having priority, but would give way turning right. Traffic coming towards the camera and turning left has priority, but if it turns right it gives way.
I'd assume in the absence of give way signs that this is correct behaviour, but there must be a less ambiguous way of signing all this for drivers unfamiliar with the area.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
The road markings are clear. If you are going straight on our turning left, you have to give way to traffic crossing your path. Traffic coming from straight ahead and turning right (into the road on your left) has no give way markings and isn't crossing a centre line (because the centre line doesn't run through the junction), and so has priority over you.c2R wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 08:00 Here's something interesting in Ireland; although not the same it does suffer from some confusion of priority...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0055682 ... 384!8i8192
The street that you're on is one way in the direction the camera is facing. You can turn left or right, or go straight ahead. The left and right turns are one way away from this junction. Straight ahead is two way. The priority, however, isn't clear at all - locals ignore the marking on the road, and treat the movement from the camera to straight ahead as having priority, but would give way turning right. Traffic coming towards the camera and turning left has priority, but if it turns right it gives way.
I'd assume in the absence of give way signs that this is correct behaviour, but there must be a less ambiguous way of signing all this for drivers unfamiliar with the area.
Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
Indeed, reading into it it is what the signage manual says (http://trafficsigns.ie/wp-content/uploa ... rkings.pdf section on one way markings - 7.2.19) but that's not how the junction is treated by everyone that uses it; and the situation isn't helped as the end of one way street isn't signed as such with an additional yield or stop sign (ch7 says it may be supplemented but not must)....Stevie D wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:06The road markings are clear. If you are going straight on our turning left, you have to give way to traffic crossing your path. Traffic coming from straight ahead and turning right (into the road on your left) has no give way markings and isn't crossing a centre line (because the centre line doesn't run through the junction), and so has priority over you.c2R wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 08:00 Here's something interesting in Ireland; although not the same it does suffer from some confusion of priority...
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0055682 ... 384!8i8192
The street that you're on is one way in the direction the camera is facing. You can turn left or right, or go straight ahead. The left and right turns are one way away from this junction. Straight ahead is two way. The priority, however, isn't clear at all - locals ignore the marking on the road, and treat the movement from the camera to straight ahead as having priority, but would give way turning right. Traffic coming towards the camera and turning left has priority, but if it turns right it gives way.
I'd assume in the absence of give way signs that this is correct behaviour, but there must be a less ambiguous way of signing all this for drivers unfamiliar with the area.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a similar arrangement somewhere in Falmouth. I’ve been needing to research access arrangements because I’m staying right in town and there isn’t any adjacent parking (quite understandable if you’re familiar with the place).
If I drive close to the door to drop my bags off, it’s impossible to return the way I’ve come. And I’d end up driving ¾-mile to get to the car park nearest the pub I’m staying in. So I might as well park near the railway station, it’s only ½-mile walk from there.
If I drive close to the door to drop my bags off, it’s impossible to return the way I’ve come. And I’d end up driving ¾-mile to get to the car park nearest the pub I’m staying in. So I might as well park near the railway station, it’s only ½-mile walk from there.
Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
They should redo that as a mini dual carriageway, that would remove a lot of confusion!lefthandedspanner wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 20:28 This one in Halifax is not strictly a three-way Give Way (being a single Give Way followed immediately by a two-way one), but it is a strange layout. It's also directly outside the local test centre, and failing to navigate through it correctly is an excellent way to fail your test within the first five minutes.
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Local residents will not want that as it means going the long way around to get home and that will never do.lotrjw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 19:28They should redo that as a mini dual carriageway, that would remove a lot of confusion!lefthandedspanner wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 20:28 This one in Halifax is not strictly a three-way Give Way (being a single Give Way followed immediately by a two-way one), but it is a strange layout. It's also directly outside the local test centre, and failing to navigate through it correctly is an excellent way to fail your test within the first five minutes.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
All of about 100 metres? thats nothing! If they are that worried mark the ends with U turn lanes and make a gap half way that they can turn round early.Bryn666 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 20:21Local residents will not want that as it means going the long way around to get home and that will never do.lotrjw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 19:28They should redo that as a mini dual carriageway, that would remove a lot of confusion!lefthandedspanner wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 20:28 This one in Halifax is not strictly a three-way Give Way (being a single Give Way followed immediately by a two-way one), but it is a strange layout. It's also directly outside the local test centre, and failing to navigate through it correctly is an excellent way to fail your test within the first five minutes.
I would also take the lane markings away and put parking spaces all down the sides, that way people wont treat it like a major dual carriageway as there would be no overtaking lanes.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
There are plenty of 4-way give ways at crossroads on this estate... https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9809954 ... m2!7m1!2e1
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Turn around and go a couple of hundred yards and you will find another one.
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
This junction in Caversham, near Reading is really weird now. The stop lines on the side road remain but give ways have been added to the through route. Unfortunately Google hasn't been through recently but here is the committee report authorising the works from Reading BC.
The amazing thing with the report is there is no plan with it, so members just improved the bizarre scheme on text alone.
A friend of mine who is a driving instructor did say who has priority, and when I said give way to the left, he went well you have to stop at a stop and a give way only if something is coming. Therefore in practice, nothing changes
The amazing thing with the report is there is no plan with it, so members just improved the bizarre scheme on text alone.
A friend of mine who is a driving instructor did say who has priority, and when I said give way to the left, he went well you have to stop at a stop and a give way only if something is coming. Therefore in practice, nothing changes
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At least there's space for a car at the second line. This one close to us, where the most common turn is right and right again, does not have space for thatlefthandedspanner wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 20:28 This one in Halifax is not strictly a three-way Give Way (being a single Give Way followed immediately by a two-way one), but it is a strange layout. It's also directly outside the local test centre, and failing to navigate through it correctly is an excellent way to fail your test within the first five minutes.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5095161 ... 384!8i8192
Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
Interesting. I notice that this zone of "4-way give ways" is bounded by signs (e.g. https://goo.gl/maps/eqD9JkGZPVMCYGgj9) which, as well as warning of give way(s) ahead, announce entry into a traffic-calmed area.ForestChav wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 20:52 There are plenty of 4-way give ways at crossroads on this estate... https://www.google.com/maps/@52.9809954 ... m2!7m1!2e1
Upthread, however,
So, would the HA have had to obtain a special traffic order in this case, which appears to make 4-way give ways an integral part of a traffic-calming scheme?
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Odds are they just put everything there up without authorisation and are hoping nothing ever goes wrong...
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Re: Three way Give Way at Heathers Gill
We have a four way cross roads junction not far from us that, until recently, had stop lines and signs on all four approaches. Google earth still shows it that way but, street view shows the new layout which is stop from the east and west.
Sorry, I have no idea how to post google earth and street views but, this is the location.
52°14'09.40" N 6°35'01.37" W
Maybe this will work.
[gmap]52°14'09.40" N 6°35'01.37" W[/gmap]
(nope!)
Sorry, I have no idea how to post google earth and street views but, this is the location.
52°14'09.40" N 6°35'01.37" W
Maybe this will work.
[gmap]52°14'09.40" N 6°35'01.37" W[/gmap]
(nope!)