seen a few of these around but not neer me.
Botched Traffic Signals
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Re: Botched Traffic Signals
Had this one a few days ago, I've reported it to B&H so hopefully it will be fixed in due course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALrICq ... omasJarvis
Can't see the right turn filter lights from the ASL, and the LLCS on the left side doesn't specify it is for left&ahead movements only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALrICq ... omasJarvis
Can't see the right turn filter lights from the ASL, and the LLCS on the left side doesn't specify it is for left&ahead movements only.
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Did you also mention the diagram 606 box sign to the council? Of course, you don't need to see the signals for ahead and left because everything must turn rightjervi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 13:05 Had this one a few days ago, I've reported it to B&H so hopefully it will be fixed in due course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALrICq ... omasJarvis
Can't see the right turn filter lights from the ASL, and the LLCS on the left side doesn't specify it is for left&ahead movements only.
Regarding the LLCS, we really need to introduce arrows on these (and the full size counterpart). The fact you can't use arrows with them just promotes the incorrect use of box signs to signalise different directions, which is a regular design failure that needs quashing rather than promoting. Perhaps LLCS arrows need (some) more special authorisation submissions!
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No, I didn't mention the 606 box signs on the main signal heads. I'm not really clued up traffic signal standards. I'll go and have a proper look at the installation and see what other issues there are, as I'd expect similar things in the opposite direction.traffic-light-man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 18:16Did you also mention the diagram 606 box sign to the council? Of course, you don't need to see the signals for ahead and left because everything must turn rightjervi wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 13:05 Had this one a few days ago, I've reported it to B&H so hopefully it will be fixed in due course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALrICq ... omasJarvis
Can't see the right turn filter lights from the ASL, and the LLCS on the left side doesn't specify it is for left&ahead movements only.
Regarding the LLCS, we really need to introduce arrows on these (and the full size counterpart). The fact you can't use arrows with them just promotes the incorrect use of box signs to signalise different directions, which is a regular design failure that needs quashing rather than promoting. Perhaps LLCS arrows need (some) more special authorisation submissions!
The installation is quite new, I'd guess at about July/October last year as I remember I pulled up to the ASL there and the temporary traffic lights during the works was at the stop line so couldn't see any signal.
Re: Botched Traffic Signals
These come across as botchy because delivery and worker vehicles can turn left and I've seen them doing so in the past I don't see any reason why they can't. So they should either be balls or ahead and a left arrow. Also that NRT box looks absolutely horrid installed on the left hand side it just doesn't look right at all it should be on the right hand side.
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Is that left turn not a private entrance though, which isn't part of the signalised junction?L.J.D wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 21:31 These come across as botchy because delivery and worker vehicles can turn left and I've seen them doing so in the past I don't see any reason why they can't. So they should either be balls or ahead and a left arrow. Also that NRT box looks absolutely horrid installed on the left hand side it just doesn't look right at all it should be on the right hand side.
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There's plenty of examples on a thread on here where private roads and access has been included into signal junctions. So it's odd that isn't.Jonathan24 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 22:57Is that left turn not a private entrance though, which isn't part of the signalised junction?L.J.D wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 21:31 These come across as botchy because delivery and worker vehicles can turn left and I've seen them doing so in the past I don't see any reason why they can't. So they should either be balls or ahead and a left arrow. Also that NRT box looks absolutely horrid installed on the left hand side it just doesn't look right at all it should be on the right hand side.
Excellent example here.
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and hereL.J.D wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 23:52There's plenty of examples on a thread on here where private roads and access has been included into signal junctions. So it's odd that isn't.Jonathan24 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 22:57Is that left turn not a private entrance though, which isn't part of the signalised junction?L.J.D wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 21:31 These come across as botchy because delivery and worker vehicles can turn left and I've seen them doing so in the past I don't see any reason why they can't. So they should either be balls or ahead and a left arrow. Also that NRT box looks absolutely horrid installed on the left hand side it just doesn't look right at all it should be on the right hand side.
Excellent example here.
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All that is about to be changed next year though when Ings Road gets a major overhaul and that part is going to be made one way towards the camera under the bridge. That Halfords junction has been tweaked about with 4 times in the last 30 or so years. Wakefield Council can't seem to make up their minds with it. So let's see what happens there after they compete the works. One of the main reasons it's happening this time is due to traffic on Ings Road bound for Doncaster Road skipping the queues and illegally turning into Halfords and going through the no entry signs in the carpark and coming out the wrong way under the bridge. So they are permanently closing the entrance to Halfords under the bridge to stop it.L.J.D wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 21:31 These come across as botchy because delivery and worker vehicles can turn left and I've seen them doing so in the past I don't see any reason why they can't. So they should either be balls or ahead and a left arrow. Also that NRT box looks absolutely horrid installed on the left hand side it just doesn't look right at all it should be on the right hand side.
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Whilst not a botch as such I thought putting blinds on red lights was discouraged. I understand why they are there but surely the long tubes would of been a better option than restricting the red lights visibility.
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Re: Botched Traffic Signals
These are exactly the same.L.J.D wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 17:51 Whilst not a botch as such I thought putting blinds on red lights was discouraged. I understand why they are there but surely the long tubes would of been a better option than restricting the red lights visibility.
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Re: Botched Traffic Signals
I've always found this junction strange. It's basically a pedestrian crossing between a staggered junction, but the markings are confusing (for example in the opposite direction it has a "turn right" arrow suggesting you have to continue right onto the A205 and not turn left).
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.76622 ... 384!8i8192
Very unique pedestrian crossing.
First of all the pedestrian crossing is marked as a triangle, not a rectangle, so you can cross between all three sides like a scramble.
Second of all, its a pedestrian crossing and only a pedestrian crossing. Both of the vehicular approaches are on the same phase and end up turning into practically the same lane. There used to be two lanes and a parking lane on the left. However 2 years ago it changed to be a bus lane on the left, traffic lane in the centre and parking lane (in marked bays w/buildouts) on the right. Strangely the "GET INTO LANE" sign still shows both lanes for all traffic
and Third of all, taking the right is very confusing if you don't know the layout.
Very unique pedestrian crossing.
First of all the pedestrian crossing is marked as a triangle, not a rectangle, so you can cross between all three sides like a scramble.
Second of all, its a pedestrian crossing and only a pedestrian crossing. Both of the vehicular approaches are on the same phase and end up turning into practically the same lane. There used to be two lanes and a parking lane on the left. However 2 years ago it changed to be a bus lane on the left, traffic lane in the centre and parking lane (in marked bays w/buildouts) on the right. Strangely the "GET INTO LANE" sign still shows both lanes for all traffic
and Third of all, taking the right is very confusing if you don't know the layout.
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https://youtu.be/9MeToxTpoco?t=62
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.47530 ... 384!8i8192
These traffic lights here are horrid, couldn't believe it at first!
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.47530 ... 384!8i8192
These traffic lights here are horrid, couldn't believe it at first!
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Re: Botched Traffic Signals
Looks like that could do with some work on the config, or change it to a closely associated secondary. The signal heads here have just been replaced so I do wonder if they've done a controller change and caught it in the new config as well.
Although I fully appreciate the issues with early cut off situations, I do still think that ultimately the onus is squarely on a driver if they make a turn across the path of an oncoming vehicle irrespective of the signals.
Although I fully appreciate the issues with early cut off situations, I do still think that ultimately the onus is squarely on a driver if they make a turn across the path of an oncoming vehicle irrespective of the signals.
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Yes, in terms of strict liability, if a driver turns across the path of an oncoming vehicle without having a green arrow then they are to blame ... but better to design the junction so that drivers are not easily misled into thinking it is safe to do that!traffic-light-man wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 00:44Although I fully appreciate the issues with early cut off situations, I do still think that ultimately the onus is squarely on a driver if they make a turn across the path of an oncoming vehicle irrespective of the signals.
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Anyone tell me what these lights are for?
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Re: Botched Traffic Signals
I'm pretty sure they go red if a vehicle is speeding towards them. They are an anti speeding tool. Pretty ridiculous as well.
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These traffic signals were tinkered with about a year ago. It seems they are now in this permanent state of one set covered apart from the green arrow, to give an ordinary left filter. I can't see what the benefit will be of actually having the two sets of lights for what will amount to exactly the same thing, or when they will get round to it as it's been like this for over a year.
Anyway, the worse part about this junction is that there is a full TEN SECOND all-red phase at certain times. It is infuriating, especially in low traffic levels.
Apart from the delay, the sequence is more or less as you would expect:
Green for north-south and south-north.
Red for north-south while south-north has a green right arrow, as does west-south a left green.
Northbound goes red and AFTER 10 SECONDS westbound gets green for right turn.
ALL RED FOR 10 seconds
repeat.
Can anyone think of any reason for the 10-second rather than the standard instantaneous or short delay in the sequence?
It also has a button-triggered pedestrian phase, where both crossings are green at the same time, after the westbound goes red. I haven't been in a position to see whether the 10-second red is shortened after a pedestrian phase. But the pedestrian phase is definitely not part of the 10-second phase, as no green man appears during it.
Anyway, the worse part about this junction is that there is a full TEN SECOND all-red phase at certain times. It is infuriating, especially in low traffic levels.
Apart from the delay, the sequence is more or less as you would expect:
Green for north-south and south-north.
Red for north-south while south-north has a green right arrow, as does west-south a left green.
Northbound goes red and AFTER 10 SECONDS westbound gets green for right turn.
ALL RED FOR 10 seconds
repeat.
Can anyone think of any reason for the 10-second rather than the standard instantaneous or short delay in the sequence?
It also has a button-triggered pedestrian phase, where both crossings are green at the same time, after the westbound goes red. I haven't been in a position to see whether the 10-second red is shortened after a pedestrian phase. But the pedestrian phase is definitely not part of the 10-second phase, as no green man appears during it.