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It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.SteelCamel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:08It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.
Many years ago there used to be two as you joined the M55 from the M6, 1974 vintage.solocle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 21:16It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.SteelCamel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:08It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.
I've seen straight RCS's before (this one is incorrectly suggesting primary), but never on a motorway.
They were there on 1960s motorways, probably from when they first opened, mounted in the central reservation. I certainly recall them on the M6. Possibly removed when the central crash barriers went in.
Yes, the number was shown in its own sign on the central reservation whilst the mileage sign just listed destinations. This obviously ended in 1964 when the new style signs were introduced. There used to be the frame for an old M6 sign surviving at J19 right up until the early 2000s (the sign had long since fallen out).WHBM wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 13:38They were there on 1960s motorways, probably from when they first opened, mounted in the central reservation. I certainly recall them on the M6. Possibly removed when the central crash barriers went in.
Signs do just get removed. There was one on the northern M25 around J26 marking the Greenwich Meridian. Shame someone decided to take it away.
Ok, I see the sign you mean - at J7, just before the M876 merges with the M9. And yes, that's an RCS - but a rather strange place to put one, given that you join the M9 just after passing it. Or do you? I can't see anything that clearly indicates which number applies to the multiplex section, it seems to be trying to assert both numbers at once!solocle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 21:16It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.SteelCamel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:08It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.
Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 14:01Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.
The one I saw was of the same design. It used to be about here in Tavistock but was gone before the Google car got here. It showed the former A384 crossed through with a red line, similar to the ones you posted, plus that the route was the B3362 now. Of course even later they diverted the B3362 via Chipshop and I guess that having two crossings out would be a bit silly and the sign went.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 14:01Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 14:01Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
They feel very "continental" like "You're no longer on the A66" in an "end of motorway" fashionDougman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 09:26Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 14:01
Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
The problem with these is if you erect a permanent sign you're left with the need to coverplate and resultant ugly sign. The yellow "M60 formerly M62" type signs are easier to deal with in this regard as you can just remove them.Dougman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 09:26Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6Alderpoint wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 14:01
Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.
There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.Dougman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 09:26Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00 There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
That needs to go in the botched signs thread thenSteelCamel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:59Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.Dougman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 09:26Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00 There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.
The sign is designed to discourage HGVs that may think it's a shortcut to the end of the A66(M) I think. A better fix would an actual TRO in this case.Dougman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 09:21That needs to go in the botched signs thread thenSteelCamel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:59Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wSpccGxEveCFwumdANathan_A_RF wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 16:12 Been struggling to find any examples of "Gate" and "Gates", especially in Welsh! I did find this pair of "Ford" and "Try your brakes" just off the A55:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.20666 ... ?entry=ttu
There's a more detailed sign a little further along. It seems to me that it's designed to wake up drivers who think "follow the A66" means "keep going straight ahead". It's pretty much saying that if you thought you were on the A66, you need to pay more attention - turn back to Scotch Corner and this time read the signs.
iirc the No explaosive signage is for Lindum HillBerk wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 23:58Oh yes, I agree. It’s just... what would make them so dangerous in a specific location that an authority would want to restrict their transport, what criteria would they set??
In theory you could include just about every city centre, but that just isn’t the case. Why Lincoln, for example.
there's a few crossed through 'A57' signs on the B6200 Retford road in Sheffield which was the former route of the A57 before the A57 was rerouted along the Mosborough parkwaywallmeerkat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:57They feel very "continental" like "You're no longer on the A66" in an "end of motorway" fashionDougman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2024 09:26Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.jnty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 15:00
There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6
I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.