B9034 at Fraserburgh (mystery)

[roadphotos]

Does anyone know where the B9034 is in Fraserburgh, the Wiki says that since 2017 it has ran along South Harbour Road and now joins the B9033 at a roundabout but I can't see any maps or atlases that show the B9034 doing this, they all show the B9034 as a short road that runs between the A90 and A98 in the town, even the OpenStreetMap shows this. Also the Wiki also says that the current B9034 runs along what is shown on all maps as the A98 near the harbour, either the Wiki is wrong or all maps are incorrect, does anyone know ?, also according the the Wiki the B9033 has been extended and now links the A90 to the A98 around the west side of town but no maps show this either.

[rileyrob]

You are right, there is some mystery over these.
As per this thread: viewtopic.php?t=40864 , Aberdeenshire undertook a review of their classified routes a few years ago, and changed these two routes in Fraserburgh amongst others. Or at least that was what was thought at the time. Some of these changes have definitely been carried out, others seem not to have been done.

These are the current route lists on the website: http://publications.aberdeenshire.gov.u ... blic-roads and for these two B roads in Fraserburgh in particular, this document: http://publications.aberdeenshire.gov.u ... s-list.pdf shows the routes as described in the wiki - B9033 reaches the A98 and B9034 uses South Harbour Road etc.

The Wiki is therefore correct as per the councils records, but last time I checked streetview there had been no changes to signs, so these changes seem to have slipped beneath the radar on mapping updates.

[Summers-lad]

As I said in the thread that RileyRob linked, Aberdeenshire Council only recommended to Transport Scotland that the numbers in their review should be changed (or in some cases deleted). This is clear from their report, and is consistent with the fact that only Transport Scotland can allocate or change A and B road numbers. (I presume the same applies to DfT south of the border.) I have seen no evidence that Aberdeenshire's recommendations were actually implemented, except in the vicinity of A90 and the minor rationalisation of the B993 in Torphins. This isn't conclusive, as maps may not be up to date, but OS do usually update their maps pretty reliably, so I'm inclined to believe them over the Council records. (Aberdeenshire isn't the only council whose road lists don't entirely correspond with map evidence.)

[Chris5156]

This is clear from their report, and is consistent with the fact that only Transport Scotland can allocate or change A and B road numbers. (I presume the same applies to DfT south of the border.)

Since the guidance was changed a few years ago, English local authorities can now allocate and change road classification at will - they just need to inform the DfT about any changes they make, and if they need a new number they just ask for one.

[rileyrob]

This is clear from their report, and is consistent with the fact that only Transport Scotland can allocate or change A and B road numbers. (I presume the same applies to DfT south of the border.)

Since the guidance was changed a few years ago, English local authorities can now allocate and change road classification at will - they just need to inform the DfT about any changes they make, and if they need a new number they just ask for one.

My understanding is that it is the same in Scotland. Someone I know who works for Transport Scotland says they basically have no interest in road numbers, other than trying to get the signs to match the Satnav.

[swissferry]

I took from Transport Scotland's reply a couple of years ago about the B77 that they were only responsible for the numbering of the trunk road network and the assignment of other road numbers was for the relevant road authority.

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It may be helpful if I firstly clarify that there is no reason that a two digit B-road classification cannot be
used in Scotland. Responsibility of assignation of road numbers to side roads is a matter for the
relevant road authority, in this case Ayrshire Road Alliance, not Transport Scotland.
An outline design for road signs was discussed with Ayrshire Road Alliance during project
development, which included an assumption that the de-trunked A77 would be renumbered as “B77”.
Subsequently, following award of the contract to design and construct the works, a further consultation
was undertaken with Ayrshire Roads Alliance by Wills Bros Civil Engineering Ltd in respect of the
detailed design of road signs, which also included reference to the de-trunked A77 as “B77”. Our
records do not indicate that Ayrshire Roads Alliance made any comment in response to either
consultation in respect of this assumption, which was taken as confirmation that this renumbering
should be adopted.