Botched Roadsigns

[Piatkow]

If it wasn't already obvious that you should follow "Saltaire" in order to get to the tourist attraction of Saltaire Village (which is to all intents and purposes the same thing), here's a somewhat dubious-looking patch to help you.

Obvious if you know the area but I imagine that they have had too many complaints from people following the "Salts Mill" tourist sign which takes you to a private road at the other end of the mill complex.

[kc1]

A Scottish motorway sign with arrows?

[Osthagen]

This sign near Tyn-y-Cefyn isn't necessarily botched, but implies a GSJ even though it refers to a T-junction.

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[Robert Kilcoyne]

While I was on holiday recently, I saw this route confirmation sign after the northbound slip road from the A683 joins the M6 at Junction 34.

[Burns]

This sign near Tyn-y-Cefyn isn't necessarily botched, but implies a GSJ even though it refers to a T-junction.

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That reminds me of a sign not too far from home. The B9171 becomes an unclassified road if you carry straight on at the junction, hence the odd looking width of the arrows.

[Bryn666]

While I was on holiday recently, I saw this route confirmation sign after the northbound slip road from the A683 joins the M6 at Junction 34.

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There are several botches on the A683 scheme. I am not surprised.

[Chris5156]

Putting aside the fact that the super primary destination "The LAKES" hasn't been permitted for years, it refers to a whole area of England. How can it all be 18 miles away?

The corners of the sign look wrong too.

[Robert Kilcoyne]

Putting aside the fact that the super primary destination "The LAKES" hasn't been permitted for years, it refers to a whole area of England. How can it all be 18 miles away?

The corners of the sign look wrong too.

I think that it should have read "Kendal 18". Even the southern end of Windermere (the most southerly lake nearest to the M6) would be more than 18 miles by road from Junction 34.

[Bryn666]

The LAKES is back in - as soon as you get to J30 it's the forward destination for the M6. After then it is SCOTLAND.

The weird corners are seemingly an Area 10 special. They're on the M60/M62 too.

[Chris5156]

The LAKES is back in - as soon as you get to J30 it's the forward destination for the M6. After then it is SCOTLAND.

The weird corners are seemingly an Area 10 special. They're on the M60/M62 too.

Area 10 needs to get a grip!

[Osthagen]

Putting aside the fact that the super primary destination "The LAKES" hasn't been permitted for years, it refers to a whole area of England. How can it all be 18 miles away?

The distance on that sign seems to refer to Kendal. I should note that Kendal isn't even in The LAKES itself.

[RichardA35]

Not really a botch as it seems to work reasonably well, but there are several signs mounted at ground level around Bodmin town

[Truvelo]

Ground level is better as it doesn't obstruct vision.

[Chris Bertram]

Ground level is better as it doesn't obstruct vision.

But the signs can easily be obscured by even small vehicles.

[Chris5156]

Not really a botch as it seems to work reasonably well, but there are several signs mounted at ground level around Bodmin town
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I think that's a Cornwall Council thing.

[Bfivethousand]

They're fine until you get an inch of snow and a moderate breeze.

[Stevie D]

This sign near Tyn-y-Cefyn isn't necessarily botched, but implies a GSJ even though it refers to a T-junction.

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I agree that it's a flawed design. I've seen quite a few similar examples elsewhere. They really should be stacked panels rather than fork signs – while they may not be strictly GSJ signs, if the fork is at 45° rather than 60° – I doubt many sign designers would recognise the difference, let alone regular Joe drivers.

To be honest, I would like to see a presumption for stacked panels over map signs for simple 3-way and 4-way junctions, unless there is a good reason to make an exception. They are easy to read, and far more space-efficient, meaning lower cost of installation.

(On a related note, I'm also getting fed up with map signs that try to show too much detail. It's a bit hard to see, but this one on the new A6194 at https://youtu.be/ilud3c_JWUI?t=1m9s is a prime example – essentially, it's a simple 4-way roundabout, but none of the roads on the sign are at 90° to any others. There's no reason why not – no driver from reading a sign showing all roads at right angles is going to be confused by them being 10° off – and it just looks messy and unnecessarily confusing).

[Chris5156]

(On a related note, I'm also getting fed up with map signs that try to show too much detail. It's a bit hard to see, but this one on the new A6194 at https://youtu.be/ilud3c_JWUI?t=1m9s is a prime example – essentially, it's a simple 4-way roundabout, but none of the roads on the sign are at 90° to any others. There's no reason why not – no driver from reading a sign showing all roads at right angles is going to be confused by them being 10° off – and it just looks messy and unnecessarily confusing).

I absolutely agree with this. A map-type sign is meant to be a simplified diagram and very often modern roundabout signs seem to have been made by someone obsessed with marking the arms of the roundabout at precisely the right angles to each other. It makes the sign more complex and harder to understand.

[Klepsydra]

Darkest Essex.

[Chris5156]

Darkest Essex.

Gaaaaah!

And elsewhere...

No, Lewisham. No.