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jervi wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 23:28
TS wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 21:05
Google StreetView shows that it has been there, and the no-right-turn in place, since at least 2009.
Small x-height and its location could suggest it is a cycle sign, but the wrong colour. But then working out how to do a right turn on a bicycle from the shared use path is another issue.
Simply use five separate crossings it would seem. Because traffic engineers hate pedestrians and cyclists
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I see quite a lot of 'flag' type signs with white patches. I believe these aren't compliant? It seems to be quite a common mistake in new installations. This one at Pulford south of Chester is relatively new when the roundabout was removed along the A483.
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I'm unsure if this is a botch but I've not seen it before and I don't like it because it devalues the use of yellow to indicate hazards or temporary signs.

Place name signs entering a settlement are usually white. This one in Pilsley is yellow.
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the cheesecake man wrote: Mon Jan 31, 2022 13:35Place name signs entering a settlement are usually white. This one in Pilsley is yellow.
Black on yellow just looks like a temporary sign to me :roll:
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This sign should really match the text on the road. It's not a one-way-street at all.
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Big L wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 17:43 This sign should really match the text on the road. It's not a one-way-street at all.
oh dear. the give way sign and arrow is also facing the wrong way on the opposite side of the road.
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No motor vehicles except cycles: https://goo.gl/maps/Dq6QygttTgEg8pyw5
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I don't see anything wrong with that combination of signs.
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WhiteBlueRed wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 09:48 I don't see anything wrong with that combination of signs.
A cycle - by which is meant a pedal cycle - is not a *motor* vehicle. So no exception plate is required.
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Chris Bertram wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 09:58 A cycle - by which is meant a pedal cycle - is not a *motor* vehicle. So no exception plate is required.
What about an electric bicycle? It is a cycle so is exempt but it has a motor? :coat:
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the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 13:36
Chris Bertram wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 09:58 A cycle - by which is meant a pedal cycle - is not a *motor* vehicle. So no exception plate is required.
What about an electric bicycle? It is a cycle so is exempt but it has a motor? :coat:
What a good question. Has this been tested in law?
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Chris Bertram wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 14:25
the cheesecake man wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 13:36
Chris Bertram wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 09:58 A cycle - by which is meant a pedal cycle - is not a *motor* vehicle. So no exception plate is required.
What about an electric bicycle? It is a cycle so is exempt but it has a motor? :coat:
What a good question. Has this been tested in law?
My understanding is that compliant e-bikes are treated as pedal cycles in law and therefore strictly allowed in 'no motor vehicle' areas. I think the key thing is that while the description of the sign is 'no motor vehicles', the actual law underpinning it will probably refer specifically to pedal cycles being permitted.
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jnty wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 14:43 My understanding is that compliant e-bikes are treated as pedal cycles in law and therefore strictly allowed in 'no motor vehicle' areas. I think the key thing is that while the description of the sign is 'no motor vehicles', the actual law underpinning it will probably refer specifically to pedal cycles being permitted.
The government seems to agree with you.

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules (EAPC=electrically assisted pedal cycles)
What counts as an EAPC
An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it.

It must show either:
the power output
the manufacturer of the motor

It must also show either:
the battery’s voltage
the maximum speed of the bike

Its electric motor:
must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph

An EAPC can have more than 2 wheels (for example, a tricycle).
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15.5 seems a bit random. I'm guessing it's just a lazy conversion of 25 km/h?
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More stack signs instead of flag type https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.22533 ... 384!8i8192
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AlexBr967 wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 19:30 15.5 seems a bit random. I'm guessing it's just a lazy conversion of 25 km/h?
Yup - I assume this is based on an EU standard and ensures manufacturing standards for motors etc can be consistent internationally. I agree that its odd that they chose a speed in mph number that's actually slightly lower than the kmph speed though!
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Interesting signs. "No Entry" with "Residents only" in the middle.
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WhiteBlueRed wrote: Wed Feb 09, 2022 09:58 Interesting signs. "No Entry" with "Residents only" in the middle.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5246284 ... 384!8i8192
private road. So can more or less do as they please
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AlexBr967 wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 20:16 No motor vehicles except cycles: https://goo.gl/maps/Dq6QygttTgEg8pyw5
And in a somewhat similar vane, a supplementary saying 'No vehicles', while the pictogram says No motor vehicles. Which is it?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/MwX7T6PhmUJRjZaZ9

https://maps.app.goo.gl/R93BrmBJXaMo9bxT6 (other end, which doesn't say no vehicles)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/QYXvKqHdjC8fo3nLA

At the other end, there's an incorrectly formatted time plate which inadvertently makes it illegal to enter Midnight - 4am on Fridays and 9pm - Midnight on Sundays.
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