Botched Roadsigns

[Nathan_A_RF]

National Highways replacements...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.84533 ... ?entry=ttu

[jnty]

National Highways replacements...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.84533 ... ?entry=ttu

Doesn't sound like much but I'd rather the bend wasn't moving at all to be honest.

[Conekicker]

National Highways replacements...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.84533 ... ?entry=ttu

Designed and manufactured by people who have no clue.

Allegedly ARTSM members will point out duff designs when they receive them from clients.

[Chris5156]

The junction that keeps giving - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7386852 ... ?entry=ttu

Correct when installed, I expect - it looks like it predates 1994.

Is the M4 here (and elsewhere) not only not a motorway but not even primary?

I saw three of these today but never twigged the wrong colour before.

Ugh. Cardiff Airport has lots of signage along the M4, which was done with blue-bordered local direction signs originally, I guess in the 1970s or 80s. There was some guidance that said airports could only use local signage, but that was plainly bobbins when you were installing them 50 miles distant and on a motorway. They should always have been white-on-blue.

Now some plonker has copied one like-for-like as a non primary sign, complete with some bizarre layout that puts the arrow and airport symbol above the text. What a mess.

[freebrickproductions]

While out shooting trains on the NS AGS South District yesterday, I came across this assembly at the eastern end of AL 216. It's a relatively minor botch, but still a botch nonetheless.

Something ain't quite right here... by freebrickproductions, on Flickr

Something ain't quite right here... by freebrickproductions, on Flickr

[Komi san]

The junction that keeps giving - https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7386852 ... ?entry=ttu

Correct when installed, I expect - it looks like it predates 1994.

Is the M4 here (and elsewhere) not only not a motorway but not even primary?

I saw three of these today but never twigged the wrong colour before.

Ugh. Cardiff Airport has lots of signage along the M4, which was done with blue-bordered local direction signs originally, I guess in the 1970s or 80s. There was some guidance that said airports could only use local signage, but that was plainly bobbins when you were installing them 50 miles distant and on a motorway. They should always have been white-on-blue.

Now some plonker has copied one like-for-like as a non primary sign, complete with some bizarre layout that puts the arrow and airport symbol above the text. What a mess.

Similar sign but in blue colour
https://maps.app.goo.gl/M43t4oqeP43C8Uc36

[swissferry]

I wasn't convinced there were wild horses above Loch Tay. One of the signs now agrees. The other has yet to be persuaded.

[Nathan_A_RF]

"For 1 miles"

[wallmeerkat]

Blue bordered direction signs at a junction where the M2(NI) meets the A2(NI). (Plus an enterprising barber who has copied the signage)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63157 ... ?entry=ttu

(A2 is just a primary road that uses green signage.)

I thought is it maybe a pre-1994 survivor in remarkably good condition? But it looks like it was replaced between 2008 and 2011. Especially noticable at the rear:

2008 rear - metal sheet with a lip around the edge and a central vertical support - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63144 ... ?entry=ttu

2011 onwards - replacement metal sheet with no lip around the edge and 2 horizontal supports - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63140 ... ?entry=ttu

Definitely a new sign too, not just new backing metal - there is a bigger space between Greencastle and the '1', and the old sign was a bit dogeared looking.

[Bryn666]

Blue bordered direction signs at a junction where the M2(NI) meets the A2(NI). (Plus an enterprising barber who has copied the signage)

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63157 ... ?entry=ttu

(A2 is just a primary road that uses green signage.)

I thought is it maybe a pre-1994 survivor in remarkably good condition? But it looks like it was replaced between 2008 and 2011. Especially noticable at the rear:

2008 rear - metal sheet with a lip around the edge and a central vertical support - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63144 ... ?entry=ttu

2011 onwards - replacement metal sheet with no lip around the edge and 2 horizontal supports - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.63140 ... ?entry=ttu

Definitely a new sign too, not just new backing metal - there is a bigger space between Greencastle and the '1', and the old sign was a bit dogeared looking.

Yep, it's an incorrect like for like replacement. Its original vintage advance sibling hides in the bushes: https://maps.app.goo.gl/jbthBPJrTf9oRaS3A

[DB617]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zCkUWvN3mHsjXsq46

This irritated me today, technically correct or not. Joining the A303 EB at Bullington Cross. Why is there no mention of the fact the road you are joining is the A303? Why the need to be clever about the fact the road leads to the M3 - especially given you can also access the A30, A33 and Micheldever/Popham that way? As a non local, I knew I needed the A303 towards Basingstoke, and was already dealing with the rather hairy tight bends and non standard interchange. The driver in front of me fully stopped on the roundabout so was clearly also lost.

[Truvelo]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zCkUWvN3mHsjXsq46

This irritated me today, technically correct or not. Joining the A303 EB at Bullington Cross. Why is there no mention of the fact the road you are joining is the A303? Why the need to be clever about the fact the road leads to the M3 - especially given you can also access the A30, A33 and Micheldever/Popham that way? As a non local, I knew I needed the A303 towards Basingstoke, and was already dealing with the rather hairy tight bends and non standard interchange. The driver in front of me fully stopped on the roundabout so was clearly also lost.

There appears to be space for A303 to the left of (M3) and in older streetview imagery the triangle symbol isn't there.

[jnty]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zCkUWvN3mHsjXsq46

This irritated me today, technically correct or not. Joining the A303 EB at Bullington Cross. Why is there no mention of the fact the road you are joining is the A303? Why the need to be clever about the fact the road leads to the M3 - especially given you can also access the A30, A33 and Micheldever/Popham that way? As a non local, I knew I needed the A303 towards Basingstoke, and was already dealing with the rather hairy tight bends and non standard interchange. The driver in front of me fully stopped on the roundabout so was clearly also lost.

There appears to be space for A303 to the left of (M3) and in older streetview imagery the triangle symbol isn't there.

A shame that there's no option to put it with the "diamond-with-huge-amounts-of-vertical-padding-either-side" symbol to the right.

[Truvelo]

I'm sure this is how it was originally intended to look

[ForestChav]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zSs48RcWVyyynE9P8

Interesting that if you turn around a bit the road between the two halves of the junction is labelled as the A34 without any brackets, though the A30 is.

Without knowing exactly how HE or whoever is responsible for this stretch have this classified officially, surely the reverse would make more sense - the A34 passes through on a dual carriageway as does the A303, and whilst the slip roads may well be part of either, there's not a lot of sense in saying the link road is the A34, especially when the A30 ends in the complex.

And of course, traffic coming in from Stockbridge and wanting to continue following the A30 would need to go this far in order to turn onto the A303, and then head towards Basingstoke where it reappears, though that's at least the 2nd routing the A30 has had around here.

[ForestChav]

GSV's labelling does indeed suggest the link road is the A30, but then the signage off the A34 at the other end suggests the other direction is the A303 in a similar fashion.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4yD1MUWoD6Jh4j1s7

And logically /s when you get here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1wP3fTyWxuJEGMaR6
The A303 towards Andover turns off, and straight ahead gets to the A34 towards Newbury and A303 towards Basingstoke, it becomes the A34 with the A303 in brackets...

It's a bit of a mess, and unlike the original post it doesn't seem that the A303 might have dropped off or been removed in favour of the diversion triangle.

[jnty]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zSs48RcWVyyynE9P8

Interesting that if you turn around a bit the road between the two halves of the junction is labelled as the A34 without any brackets, though the A30 is.

Without knowing exactly how HE or whoever is responsible for this stretch have this classified officially, surely the reverse would make more sense - the A34 passes through on a dual carriageway as does the A303, and whilst the slip roads may well be part of either, there's not a lot of sense in saying the link road is the A34, especially when the A30 ends in the complex.

And of course, traffic coming in from Stockbridge and wanting to continue following the A30 would need to go this far in order to turn onto the A303, and then head towards Basingstoke where it reappears, though that's at least the 2nd routing the A30 has had around here.

That is at least an improvement on two years ago when I was aiming for the A34 southbound and that sign was missing. I ended up taking the next exit (as the only one signed for A34) and therefore went several miles in the wrong direction. I note the fresh-looking concrete under the posts on the streetview image...

[wallmeerkat]

Should a motorway as a primary destination on a blue sign have the motorway name

within a rectangle - https://www.google.com/maps/@54.6812103 ... ?entry=ttu

without - https://www.google.com/maps/@54.6790741 ... ?entry=ttu

[Truvelo]

Should a motorway as a primary destination on a blue sign have the motorway name

within a rectangle - https://www.google.com/maps/@54.6812103 ... ?entry=ttu

without - https://www.google.com/maps/@54.6790741 ... ?entry=ttu

The first one is definitely wrong. The second one may be correct for the era it was designed. Early motorway signs had no brackets and often had the number in motorway font.

Both your examples have the chevron on the flag sign. This one has it missing

[Richard_Fairhurst]

Spotted this last weekend. (It's the same from all three directions.)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/BDGdQEP4b2vR1sai8

You would hope that the sign designer would stop and consider that, given that two of the directions are B4077 and B4078, the third one is probably not the A4078.