A555 Stockport news

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Whats the odds this being linked to the M60 at Breadbury?

Will probably happen eventually, but not funded at present.

[irrelevant]

The reason that equal ops sections are sometimes included on these surveys is not so that they can see whether people falling into certain categories vote in certain ways (the equal ops data should be separated from the survey data so that the two can't be matched up), but so that they can check that they are getting a response that is representative of all sectors of the community. If a council knows that its resident population is, let's say, 25% black and minority ethnic, and 25% over 65, but it gets 90% of its responses from white males under 40, it would be fair to say that the survey methods aren't reaching all sectors of the community equally ... and that allows the council to look into why some groups are not taking part in the surveys to the same extent as other groups, and hopefully redress that imbalance.

The point regarding the inclusion of the items involved has been put to the SEMMS team.
The answer received is very similar to that shown above.

It's only taken them a couple of months to notice, so speedy reporting from the Manchester Evening News yet again...
Consultation on Manchester Airport Relief Road asks: Have you had a sex change?

[irrelevant]

Public backing for Manchester Airport relief road

More than two thirds of respondents to a survey have backed a controversial airport relief road.

(Not sure how it can be controversial if 69% of people want it and only 13% don't!)

[wrinkly]

Consultation report

[Tinpusher]

All those traffic lights, and slow slow junctions, how the mighty hath fallen.

Welcome to the UK swampy won, and wrecked your economy in the process. Wonder how many billions in wasted growth potential and more importantly 'jobs' have been lost by the actions of wreckless NIMBYs scuppering the roads program?

[RichardA626]

All those traffic lights, and slow slow junctions, how the mighty hath fallen.

Welcome to the UK swampy won, and wrecked your economy in the process. Wonder how many billions in wasted growth potential and more importantly 'jobs' have been lost by the actions of wreckless NIMBYs scuppering the roads program?

Funny how the stuffy NIMBY suburbanites don't get mentioned.

[PeterA5145]

Consultation report

Interesting (although fairly predictable) that 57% of the respondents were 55 or over, and 35% 65 or over, who in general won't be the group who benefit most from the road.

I was perhaps a bit surprised at the quasi-GSJ at the junction of the A555 and A523 being rejected in favour of a flat signalised crossroads.

[si404]

I was perhaps a bit surprised at the quasi-GSJ at the junction of the A555 and A523 being rejected in favour of a flat signalised crossroads.

There was a quasi GSJ plan? All I see are long signalised roundabout and a signalised crossroads.

[SteveA30]

10.1.6
A common theme across all exhibitions was that too many signalised junctions are proposed along the route. There is an evident perception that traffic signals will create stop/start traffic, more queuing traffic and therefore will create a more negative impact on noise and air pollution.

10.1.8
Comments were made during the exhibitions that the current Scheme design provided no continuity for cyclists, especially at junctions as a result of proposed traffic lights and traffic islands that would need to be crossed. The view was held that the stop-starts that would be created by the junctions would ultimately tempt cyclists to just utilise the main carriageway rather than the designated cycle lane.

They seem surprised by the 'evident perception', when it is simply a factually accurate viewpoint, stating the obvious.
Cyclists too don't like to have their progress impeded, why would they? Again, blatantly obvious views expressed here. So, redesign the junctions to the benefit of all the users, cycle bridges, GSJ's. If a jobs worth doing, it's worth doing cheaply properly.

[RickyB_uk]

10.1.6
A common theme across all exhibitions was that too many signalised junctions are proposed along the route. There is an evident perception that traffic signals will create stop/start traffic, more queuing traffic and therefore will create a more negative impact on noise and air pollution.

All of the staff at the exhibitions I went to were keen to point out the junctions would be able to cope with all of the traffic, but one admitted that if the road was ever extended to the M60 at Bredbury, that some of the junctions would have to be revisited.

Regardless, it's going to be an awful road to use, unless they can set up some sort of green wave with light phasing.

[Truvelo]

That's why I don't use the A4123 Birmingham-Wolverhampton New Road. All those traffic lights means it's better to use the A457.

The worst thing that can happen to the A555 is new developments are built right up to the highway boundary meaning any future upgrade of the traffic light junctions to GSJs will be impossible.

[PeterA5145]

There will be quite a long free-flow run from east of the existing terminus on the A5102 along the entire length of the current A555 and through the Wilmslow Road junction to the junction with the B5166 Styal Road, so perhaps not quite as bad as painted.

[fras]

I suppose the benefit of at-grade junctions is the traffic will queue up at several locations, instead of just at each end !

Question - does this mean the sum of each individual wait time will equal a wait at each end if grade-separated junctions were used ?

[Truvelo]

I suppose the benefit of at-grade junctions is the traffic will queue up at several locations, instead of just at each end !

Question - does this mean the sum of each individual wait time will equal a wait at each end if grade-separated junctions were used ?

There would be no queuing at the western end as it freeflows onto the M60. The eastern end may be a problem as the A6, especially between Hazel Grove and Stockport, is nasty.

[A5104]

There would be no queuing at the western end as it freeflows onto the M60.

M56.

[Truvelo]

There would be no queuing at the western end as it freeflows onto the M60.

M56.

Slight typo there

[RickyB_uk]

There would be no queuing at the western end as it freeflows onto the M56[sic]. The eastern end may be a problem as the A6, especially between Hazel Grove and Stockport, is nasty.

It free-flows onto the M56, however to actually get there, I think there are planned to be four sets of lights between the A34 and M56 in the space of around 2km: B5166, Ringway Road (modification of existing unsignallised T-junction), Aviator Way (remodelling of existing roundabout), and Outwood Road/M56 spur (remodelling of existing signallised junction).

[wrinkly]

I think there are planned to be four sets of lights between the A34 and M56 in the space of around 2km: B5166, Ringway Road (modification of existing unsignallised T-junction), Aviator Way (remodelling of existing roundabout), and Outwood Road/M56 spur (remodelling of existing signallised junction).

The third of those four will be midway between the present Aviator Way and Outwood Lane junctions. It will be a junction with a new northward road which will eventually lead to the proposed Airport City development. Aviator Way will be extended westward to become a turning off this northward road instead of connecting to Ringway Road West at the present roundabout. The beginnings of this layout, and the dualling of RRW as far east as the junction with Ringway Road, should be in place by late this year when RRW is due to reopen after construction of the Metrolink underpass.

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Over on the Skyscraper City forums, in their Metrolink Extension thread, pictures are occasionally posted of the partly completed underpass that will carry Ringway Road West (at skew) and a minor car park access road, both at natural ground level, over the Metrolink line to the airport. The most recent batch was posted by richardio123.

The structure can be seen in the fifth, seventh and eigth pictures in this post and in the two pictures in this post.

The work to dual Ringway Road West can be seen in the tenth picture in the post at the first link.

Ringway Road West will become part of the A555 if the A555 scheme goes ahead.

[Helvellyn]

All those traffic lights, and slow slow junctions, how the mighty hath fallen.

Welcome to the UK swampy won, and wrecked your economy in the process. Wonder how many billions in wasted growth potential and more importantly 'jobs' have been lost by the actions of wreckless NIMBYs scuppering the roads program?

Er, no. That was all about "Don't build a road", not "build it with annoying junctions." But hey, let's find any excuse to have a go at people who don't want roads built, even if it's totally irrelevant to this one.