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Yes, and despite some folks claiming (somewhat rightly) that making signs larger is unnecessary, misses the point and excuses bad driving, I think on balance, you do need that.
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No problem with small signs as long as they are easily legible at a decent distance.

Take NI's most infamous low bridge.

Before

After. It's tiny.
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AndyB wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:52 No problem with small signs as long as they are easily legible at a decent distance.

Take NI's most infamous low bridge.

Before

After. It's tiny.
Yep, the dual height signs are dire frankly. There's a simple fix to this but the Daily Mail won't like it...
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Bryn666 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:54
AndyB wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:52No problem with small signs as long as they are easily legible at a decent distance.

Take NI's most infamous low bridge.

Before

After. It's tiny.
Yep, the dual height signs are dire frankly. There's a simple fix to this but the Daily Mail won't like it...
Tbh, since I have driven abroad, I’m thinking it’s a non-issue now. Like others have said, let’s go for it.

If you need help, there are apps available.

Tiny signs, though, still rely on passing the eyesight test. I think you should be able to read the height from 30m away (min, preferably double).
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This bridge in Littleport seems to have been made pedestrians and cyclists only somewhere around the time it was replaced with a double sign.
Bryn666 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:54Yep, the dual height signs are dire frankly. There's a simple fix to this but the Daily Mail won't like it...
If you're implying that converting the road network to metric is simple...
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Kinitawowi wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 19:45This bridge in Littleport seems to have been made pedestrians and cyclists only somewhere around the time it was replaced with a double sign.
They should’ve done this at Ely, and Shippea Hill, too. Trains aren’t exactly in the ascendant there, needing to stop at signals/platforms. They’re not that frequent at Shippea Hill either.
Bryn666 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:54Yep, the dual height signs are dire frankly. There's a simple fix to this but the Daily Mail won't like it...
If you're implying that converting the road network to metric is simple...
Frankly, it is, just expensive. But even then, many signs are already showing metric values, only a tiny minority of signs are not.

Next step, on to speed limits. :twisted:
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Berk wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 19:51
Kinitawowi wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 19:45This bridge in Littleport seems to have been made pedestrians and cyclists only somewhere around the time it was replaced with a double sign.
They should’ve done this at Ely, and Shippea Hill, too. Trains aren’t exactly in the ascendant there, needing to stop at signals/platforms. They’re not that frequent at Shippea Hill either.
Bryn666 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 18:54Yep, the dual height signs are dire frankly. There's a simple fix to this but the Daily Mail won't like it...
If you're implying that converting the road network to metric is simple...
Frankly, it is, just expensive. But even then, many signs are already showing metric values, only a tiny minority of signs are not.

Next step, on to speed limits. :twisted:
The second most expensive part will be changing speed limit signs.
The third most expensive part will be managing the change of height, width and length restriction signs
The fourth most expensive part will distance signs - they will only need to be changed once they reach the ends of their useful lives.

... the most expensive part will be the reams of newsprint devoted to the change-over, both direct (editorial comemnt) and indirect (reporting the politician's views and parliamentary debates).
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This one on the A13 at the Wennington interchange yesterday shut the road off for a number of hours, especially eastbound. One can imagine the chaos: https://twitter.com/Rob23576718/status/ ... EXLXw&s=19
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Runwell wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 18:46 This one on the A13 at the Wennington interchange yesterday shut the road off for a number of hours, especially eastbound. One can imagine the chaos: https://twitter.com/Rob23576718/status/ ... EXLXw&s=19
There are certainly a number of questions surrounding this strike. It appears that the load was just a little too high for the bridge so had teh road been resurfaced, was the load more than 5 metres?
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Vierwielen wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:29
Runwell wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2023 18:46 This one on the A13 at the Wennington interchange yesterday shut the road off for a number of hours, especially eastbound. One can imagine the chaos: https://twitter.com/Rob23576718/status/ ... EXLXw&s=19
There are certainly a number of questions surrounding this strike. It appears that the load was just a little too high for the bridge so had teh road been resurfaced, was the load more than 5 metres?
I think if the bridge clearance was <5m due to resurfacing, there'd be a lot of trucks hitting it.
I'd say the load was overheight, and either someone didn't quite measure properly, something happened to increase the height (air suspension?) or someone thought it wasn't *too* far over...
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Lancashire trains cancelled after lorry hits railway bridge in Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-66570754


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The Deuce wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 13:24 Image
Lancashire trains cancelled after lorry hits railway bridge in Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-66570754


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Been a while since someone whacked this one, the signage on the approaches has become poor again though I have noticed.
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B1040 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 21:22 https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... e-28415469

Ely station, yet again.
The bridge has a 2.7 metre/9 ft clearance. It is mandatory for British-registered vehicles over 3 metres high to have a notice in the cab telling the driver of the vehicle's height. For foreign registered vehicles (as per the Vienna Convention) this rule only applies to vehicles over 4 metres high.
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Just a qwick reply about the Ely bridge strikes.. ive just done some LGV (heavy goods) cpc training and it looks like the bridge strikes at Ely are mostly caused by luton type vans 3.5 ton transit van with a large box body type vehicles.. no vehicle height displays are needed in the cab..
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Vierwielen wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 18:34
B1040 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 21:22 https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... e-28415469

Ely station, yet again.
The bridge has a 2.7 metre/9 ft clearance. It is mandatory for British-registered vehicles over 3 metres high to have a notice in the cab telling the driver of the vehicle's height. For foreign registered vehicles (as per the Vienna Convention) this rule only applies to vehicles over 4 metres high.
The mandatory notice wouldn't apply to a car/SUV towing a trailer - my caravan is 2.65m but if I ever got it wrong it would be the caravan that's wrecked, not the bridge!
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Ruperts Trooper wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 19:16
Vierwielen wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 18:34
B1040 wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 21:22 https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/l ... e-28415469

Ely station, yet again.
The bridge has a 2.7 metre/9 ft clearance. It is mandatory for British-registered vehicles over 3 metres high to have a notice in the cab telling the driver of the vehicle's height. For foreign registered vehicles (as per the Vienna Convention) this rule only applies to vehicles over 4 metres high.
The mandatory notice wouldn't apply to a car/SUV towing a trailer - my caravan is 2.65m but if I ever got it wrong it would be the caravan that's wrecked, not the bridge!
I checked the legislation. It appears that the cut-off height is 3.66 metres, not 3 metres. It also applies to a "motor vehicle which is ... drawing a trailer ...". From the context, I believe that a caravan would be classed as a trailer, but I agree that if you drove it into a low bridge then the caravan would be wrecked, not the bridge.
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nearM65 wrote: Wed Jan 10, 2024 19:08 Just a qwick reply about the Ely bridge strikes.. ive just done some LGV (heavy goods) cpc training and it looks like the bridge strikes at Ely are mostly caused by luton type vans 3.5 ton transit van with a large box body type vehicles.. no vehicle height displays are needed in the cab..
I wonder if these a vans driven only occasionally by people who normally drive lower vehicles. Van hire and the like.
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B1040 wrote: Thu Jan 11, 2024 14:09 I wonder if these a vans driven only occasionally by people who normally drive lower vehicles. Van hire and the like.
A friend of mine nearly struck the low bridge on the B1098 at Stonea. He was driving a friend's van and took the underpass side, fortunately the friend was in the passenger seat and shouted out in time.
One vehicle strike at the same bridge was driven by two RAF personnel who's regular vehicle was u/s and they were in a civillian hire van.
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