A585 and Fylde

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:20

Statutory consultation now open:

https://highwaysengland.citizenspace.co ... consultat/

Scheme layout:

https://highwaysengland.citizenspace.co ... undary.pdf

Norfolktolancashire · Post by **Norfolktolancashire** » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:29

The public consultation on this scheme is now up and running. Note the proposal for a land bridge along the route, presumably due to Singleton Hall complex being close by. It is good to see the eastbound old road being closed instead of having another junction with the new route.

It is also good to see D2 instead of S2!

The proposed link road to Shard Bridge from the new route has been removed due to environmental reasons.

The next hold up for traffic will be Esprick just off the M55.

https://highwaysengland.citizenspace.com/he/dea6d857/

Bryn666 · Post by **Bryn666** » Sat Sep 01, 2018 20:28

I think this scheme is relatively OK for what it does. Get it built.

Truvelo · Post by **Truvelo** » Sat Sep 01, 2018 20:42

At Windy Harbour there could be a freeflow left turn slip from Fleetwood Road onto the new road. This could form lane 1 of the D2 with lane 2 coming from the traffic lights. Although two signal controlled left turn lanes will improve matters I can still see queues approaching these lights being a problem during peak hours.

wrinkly · Post by **wrinkly** » Sun Nov 04, 2018 19:33

HE's application recently went to the Planning Inspectorate.

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... nt-scheme/

A303Chris · Post by **A303Chris** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 13:42

wrinkly wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 19:33 HE's application recently went to the Planning Inspectorate.

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... nt-scheme/

From the work plans submitted the junction with Garstang New Road is now a signalised cross roads and not a roundabout, shame its not Grade separated.

Therefore given the HE with a 3 mile dc and four signalised junctions, can't see this being 70mph.

wrinkly · Post by **wrinkly** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 15:07

The general arrangement plans are probably easier to read than the works plans.

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... 0Plans.pdf

Bryn666 · Post by **Bryn666** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 15:16

A303Chris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 13:42
wrinkly wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 19:33 HE's application recently went to the Planning Inspectorate.

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... nt-scheme/
From the work plans submitted the junction with Garstang New Road is now a signalised cross roads and not a roundabout, shame its not Grade separated.

Therefore given the HE with a 3 mile dc and four signalised junctions, can't see this being 70mph.

No it'll definitely be 50. However the existing road is 50 too so that's not a great loss.

The extra lanes will make this regularly naffed up bit of the A585 a lot easier to get through. However given Fleetwood seems to be inactive as a port recently do HE know something we don't?

Or is this part of a future detrunking agreement that LCC get a bypass before they take possession?

A303Chris · Post by **A303Chris** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 15:37

Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 15:16
No it'll definitely be 50. However the existing road is 50 too so that's not a great loss.

The extra lanes will make this regularly naffed up bit of the A585 a lot easier to get through. However given Fleetwood seems to be inactive as a port recently do HE know something we don't?

Or is this part of a future detrunking agreement that LCC get a bypass before they take possession?

I have friends in Poulton, whose parents live in Fleetwood so know the A585 well. I have to admit the closure of the roll on roll off ferry did improve journey times to and from the M55. It was a real slog if you left or were arriving before or after an arrival / departure especially the number of HGV's on the road. Not that its not a slog normally.

However, Associated British Ports are still marketing the ROLO of the port, so wonder if there is an interested party but wants improvements to the A585 first

wrinkly · Post by **wrinkly** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 18:18

2.4.10 here says the new alignment will be NSL.

https://infrastructure.planninginspecto ... Scheme.pdf

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 21:38

Four signalised junctions on a short stretch of NSL rural dual carriageway is pretty abnormal. It wouldn't be so bad if they allowed the left turns (and westbound straight-on at the T) to be lane gains or give ways, but it seems everyone must pay homage to the almighty signals.

Bryn666 · Post by **Bryn666** » Mon Nov 05, 2018 21:50

jackal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 21:38 Four signalised junctions on a short stretch of NSL rural dual carriageway is pretty abnormal. It wouldn't be so bad if they allowed the left turns (and westbound straight-on at the T) to be lane gains or give ways, but it seems everyone must pay homage to the almighty signals.

They can say it'll be NSL but the road safety audit will put paid to it. 60 mph is usually seen as the upper limit for signalised dual carriageways these days.

The left turns are presumably pedestrian demand stages rather than forcing left turns to stop for no reason. However, it is a HE scheme so I wouldn't be surprised if congestion is designed in through the sheer inability of their guys to design junctions...

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 00:41

Bryn666 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 21:50
jackal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 21:38 Four signalised junctions on a short stretch of NSL rural dual carriageway is pretty abnormal. It wouldn't be so bad if they allowed the left turns (and westbound straight-on at the T) to be lane gains or give ways, but it seems everyone must pay homage to the almighty signals.
They can say it'll be NSL but the road safety audit will put paid to it. 60 mph is usually seen as the upper limit for signalised dual carriageways these days.

The left turns are presumably pedestrian demand stages rather than forcing left turns to stop for no reason. However, it is a HE scheme so I wouldn't be surprised if congestion is designed in through the sheer inability of their guys to design junctions...

If you look at the general arrangement plans wrinkly posted some of the left turns with signals have no pedestrian crossing.

Bryn666 · Post by **Bryn666** » Tue Nov 06, 2018 00:58

Their glossy PDF caused my high spec laptop to hang. I gave up trying to look.

If there are no ped demand stages on some junctions there is NO reason to bring that arm to a halt other than a sheer inability to design roads.

c2R · Post by **c2R** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 08:16

Statutory Instrument published on legislation.gov.uk: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020 ... tents/made

IAN · Post by **IAN** » Wed Apr 05, 2023 20:32

Recent drone footage shows that the project is at an advanced stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0B44wa ... hotography

Bryn666 · Post by **Bryn666** » Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:11

IAN wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 20:32 Recent drone footage shows that the project is at an advanced stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0B44wa ... hotography

The footbridge at the eastern end really should have been a Dutch style underpass, those approach ramps make it a massive detour for cycling.

jackal · Post by **jackal** » Tue Dec 05, 2023 14:16

Opening on the 18th but initially at 30mph and "in single file". It will get up to 70mph and four lanes later in the winter. Do they think they're commissioning a nuclear reactor?

https://nationalhighways.co.uk/our-road ... -skippool/

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Sat Dec 09, 2023 18:15

Bryn666 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:11
IAN wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 20:32 Recent drone footage shows that the project is at an advanced stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0B44wa ... hotography
The footbridge at the eastern end really should have been a Dutch style underpass, those approach ramps make it a massive detour for cycling.

Sometimes I have to walk over this monster, and every time I wish I had a bike to do it on! It'd be a lot quicker...

At least people are less likely to relieve themselves or attack you on a bridge than in an underpass.

LiamPR1 · Post by **LiamPR1** » Tue Mar 19, 2024 03:05

YouTube account "Walk on the Wild Side" drives the new bypass:

https://youtu.be/FihVrKXsXnA?si=nnUm_5nOJWAKFbJS

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