Rare Roadsigns

[Truvelo]

They're less common than they used to be, but an RCS can indeed just be a road number to confirm which road you're on. In the pre-Worboys era they were very common, and were sometimes even placed on B-roads.

There's still plenty around if you know where to look

https://maps.app.goo.gl/cZKHurhCb2fmTPrT8

[solocle]

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Straightforward RCS with no distances?

It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.

It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.

I've seen straight RCS's before (this one is incorrectly suggesting primary), but never on a motorway.

[Bryn666]

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Straightforward RCS with no distances?

It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.

It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.

I've seen straight RCS's before (this one is incorrectly suggesting primary), but never on a motorway.

Many years ago there used to be two as you joined the M55 from the M6, 1974 vintage.

They have their genesis in the Anderson Report.

[WHBM]

I've seen straight RCS's before (this one is incorrectly suggesting primary), but never on a motorway.

They were there on 1960s motorways, probably from when they first opened, mounted in the central reservation. I certainly recall them on the M6. Possibly removed when the central crash barriers went in.

Signs do just get removed. There was one on the northern M25 around J26 marking the Greenwich Meridian. Shame someone decided to take it away.

[Bryn666]

I've seen straight RCS's before (this one is incorrectly suggesting primary), but never on a motorway.

They were there on 1960s motorways, probably from when they first opened, mounted in the central reservation. I certainly recall them on the M6. Possibly removed when the central crash barriers went in.

Signs do just get removed. There was one on the northern M25 around J26 marking the Greenwich Meridian. Shame someone decided to take it away.

Yes, the number was shown in its own sign on the central reservation whilst the mileage sign just listed destinations. This obviously ended in 1964 when the new style signs were introduced. There used to be the frame for an old M6 sign surviving at J19 right up until the early 2000s (the sign had long since fallen out).

[SteelCamel]

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Straightforward RCS with no distances?

It's unusual in that there's no chopsticks on it. Similar signs where motorways change numbers are quite common (or at least, as common as motorways changing numbers) - see here for example. But they generally have the chopsticks symbol - which is arguably incorrect as the motorway regulations don't start there, they just continue, as you're already on a motorway.

It wasn't a change of number, though - it was approaching the M9 multiplex, but from the M876.

Ok, I see the sign you mean - at J7, just before the M876 merges with the M9. And yes, that's an RCS - but a rather strange place to put one, given that you join the M9 just after passing it. Or do you? I can't see anything that clearly indicates which number applies to the multiplex section, it seems to be trying to assert both numbers at once!

[Alderpoint]

They're less common than they used to be, but an RCS can indeed just be a road number to confirm which road you're on. In the pre-Worboys era they were very common, and were sometimes even placed on B-roads.

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

[jnty]

They're less common than they used to be, but an RCS can indeed just be a road number to confirm which road you're on. In the pre-Worboys era they were very common, and were sometimes even placed on B-roads.

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

[multiraider2]

They're less common than they used to be, but an RCS can indeed just be a road number to confirm which road you're on. In the pre-Worboys era they were very common, and were sometimes even placed on B-roads.

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

The one I saw was of the same design. It used to be about here in Tavistock but was gone before the Google car got here. It showed the former A384 crossed through with a red line, similar to the ones you posted, plus that the route was the B3362 now. Of course even later they diverted the B3362 via Chipshop and I guess that having two crossings out would be a bit silly and the sign went.

[Dougman]

They're less common than they used to be, but an RCS can indeed just be a road number to confirm which road you're on. In the pre-Worboys era they were very common, and were sometimes even placed on B-roads.

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

[wallmeerkat]

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

They feel very "continental" like "You're no longer on the A66" in an "end of motorway" fashion

[Bryn666]

Would you describe this as a Route Non-Confirmation Sign? It was a long time ago that this was the A444. The sign is no longer there.

There was a sign with both the old and new number at the other end of this section of the former A444, picture in the wiki, but I don't recall ever seeing it.

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

The problem with these is if you erect a permanent sign you're left with the need to coverplate and resultant ugly sign. The yellow "M60 formerly M62" type signs are easier to deal with in this regard as you can just remove them.

[SteelCamel]

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.

[Dougman]

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.

That needs to go in the botched signs thread then

[Bryn666]

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

Which doesn't cover Scotch Corner, as that road has never been the A66. The A66 has gone south down what's now the A1, terminated at the junction, and now goes north in a multiplex, but has never gone through Middleton Tyas.

That needs to go in the botched signs thread then

The sign is designed to discourage HGVs that may think it's a shortcut to the end of the A66(M) I think. A better fix would an actual TRO in this case.

[Nathan_A_RF]

Been struggling to find any examples of "Gate" and "Gates", especially in Welsh! I did find this pair of "Ford" and "Try your brakes" just off the A55:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.20666 ... ?entry=ttu

[swissferry]

Been struggling to find any examples of "Gate" and "Gates", especially in Welsh! I did find this pair of "Ford" and "Try your brakes" just off the A55:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.20666 ... ?entry=ttu

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wSpccGxEveCFwumdA

[SteelCamel]

The sign is designed to discourage HGVs that may think it's a shortcut to the end of the A66(M) I think. A better fix would an actual TRO in this case.

There's a more detailed sign a little further along. It seems to me that it's designed to wake up drivers who think "follow the A66" means "keep going straight ahead". It's pretty much saying that if you thought you were on the A66, you need to pay more attention - turn back to Scotch Corner and this time read the signs.

The problem with a TRO is that it would inconvenience anyone in Middleton Tyas (or any of the other villages along the road) wanting things delivered. The road is quite capable of taking a few HGVs as local traffic, it's just that it would quickly choke up with lost drivers trying to find their way back to the A66. Not least because following the road leads you south, completely the wrong way, while the back lanes to the A167 are most definitely unsuitable.

[Nicola_Jayne]

The one that always gets me is the ‘No explosives’ sign. Why would anyone have a legitimate reason for doing so?? Even if you work for a construction or demolition company.

Explosives don’t appear at construction companies’ headquarters or on site by magic - they have to be transported somehow

For their transportation to be banned requires a TRO.

Oh yes, I agree. It’s just... what would make them so dangerous in a specific location that an authority would want to restrict their transport, what criteria would they set??

In theory you could include just about every city centre, but that just isn’t the case. Why Lincoln, for example.

iirc the No explaosive signage is for Lindum Hill

top of the hill

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mEH32HiNR4uge9MK6

bottom of the hill

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mEH32HiNR4uge9MK6


see also viewtopic.php?p=556872#p556872 with regard to the 1967 Petrol tanker fire

[Nicola_Jayne]

There's one of these at Scotch Corner too: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnSZAHaRDbdAqPSG6

I wonder if this type of sign has ever been remotely specified in any sort of faintly official way or if it was just two people (or the same person!) coming up with similar ideas.

Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 7, part 11 covers these where a route number has been superseded.

They feel very "continental" like "You're no longer on the A66" in an "end of motorway" fashion

there's a few crossed through 'A57' signs on the B6200 Retford road in Sheffield which was the former route of the A57 before the A57 was rerouted along the Mosborough parkway