Chris5156 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 21:43
Without for a single moment wishing to defend the "no slow vehicles" signs, I was under the impression that a minimum speed limit required an act of Parliament. If that's the case it may be easier/quicker/simpler/more achievable/within the abilities of a project manager to get a traffic regulation order and a non-standard sign authorisation instead.
Basic principle of traffic signing - if a sign already exists to achieve the desired result, do not invent something non-prescribed to achieve the desired result.
There's a fundamental difference - the no slow vehicles signs on the A1 and A470 (I also think the A45?) are part time restrictions. Now we know what happens when you try and put variable mandatory maximum speed limits on all purpose roads (everyone poos themselves and you get the A14 not M fiasco), so the same problems exist when you would try and apply a variable mandatory minimum speed limit by logical extension.
Maybe roads like the Westtoon Bypass and the A470 should have been opened as motorways to avoid this issue in the first place, now there's a thought.
They haven't got a hard shoulder, so they'd have to be Smart Mot...................
Ooops.
Patience is not a virtue - it's a concept invented by the dozy beggars who are unable to think quickly enough.
Rillington wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:18
It's interesting to look back at these old motorway signs and it got me wondering what proportion of original motorway signage is still in situ.
It depends on the age of the motorway. Nothing of the original 1958 M6 Preston Bypass signage remains as the motorway there has been widened twice. On the other hand, much of the M6(Toll) and M60 NE quadrant signage will be original. All of the Yorkshire A1(M) signage will be original.
Thank you for your thoughts Nowster. Obviously, more recent motorways are more likely to still have their original signage still in place and I guess I was thinking of the original tranche of motorways when I posted this comment rather than those built since, say, the introduction of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994 when the RCS change which saw destinations which were not on the road in question stop being indicated between parentheses.
A lot of the motorway signs erected in the early 2000s are now peeling and are needing replacement. There are likely to be some from the 1970s (like the Keele services central reservation sign) which are survivors.
I'd hazard a guess that some of the less upgraded bits of the network (eg. 1950s/1960s A1(M) stretches, M50, bits of the M5, bits of the M4 beyond Swansea, etc.) have the older signs.
