Roadworks percentage completion sign!

[qwertyK]

I have never seen one of these before, is this a new thing National Highways are doing to boost the morale of long suffering motorists?

[Bryn666]

Been doing these gimmicks for years now. Not prescribed in the slightest so be interesting to see what authority they're placed under and what risk assessments have been undertaken for changing the progress bar.

[orudge]

Presumably it'll be stuck on 95% for ages, if it's anything like most progress bars in Microsoft Windows for instance.

[RichardA35]

Presumably it'll be stuck on 95% for ages, if it's anything like most progress bars in Microsoft Windows for instance.

It'll then go blank followed by blue with a QR code in the corner.
Aren't these things are authorised under TSM chapter 84 "Innovashun"

[ravenbluemoon]

There's a thermometer style one near the A1/A47 junction, for the resurfacing works. Looks like it's in a really annoying placing to update, unless they're on a full carriageway closure.

I bet it's one of those jobs that the site junior has to do, along with getting the brews in.

[owen b]

I'm sure I've seen an electronic percentage complete sign on some roadworks somewhere recently, quite possibly on my most recent return trip from Scotland, likely on the M6 somewhere. At least with an electronic sign the percentage can be updated remotely.

[WHBM]

For those unfamiliar, Percentage Complete is a normal way for contractors to summarise progress to clients (there's a lot of calculation detail behind). If it's a £100m job and you are 65% complete, you get paid £65m.

I know some on here will argue the detail (and are probably the ones doing the calcs) but that's a one-liner explanation of the term.

[MotorwayGuy]

HE like to create strange signs for roadworks, reminds me of these stupid things when the A21 was widened:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1807424 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.180642, ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1791449 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1757217 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1624745 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1586347 ... ?entry=ttu

At least the percentage sign gives drivers some vaguely useful information.

[Conekicker]

HE like to create strange signs for roadworks, reminds me of these stupid things when the A21 was widened:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1807424 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.180642, ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1791449 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1757217 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1624745 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1586347 ... ?entry=ttu

At least the percentage sign gives drivers some vaguely useful information.

Ah yes, the orange cone zone debacle, which most certainly was NOT an eye-wateringly expensive waste of the public purse, dreamed up by certain persons at HA charged with "improving the customer experience", whatever that load of sphericals is supposed to mean.

Goodness me no, perish the very thought, it was extremely well thought out and very useful. 'onest guv.

[Bomag]

HE like to create strange signs for roadworks, reminds me of these stupid things when the A21 was widened:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1807424 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.180642, ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1791449 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1757217 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1624745 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1586347 ... ?entry=ttu

At least the percentage sign gives drivers some vaguely useful information.

Ah yes, the orange cone zone debacle, which most certainly was NOT an eye-wateringly expensive waste of the public purse, dreamed up by certain persons at HA charged with "improving the customer experience", whatever that load of sphericals is supposed to mean.

Goodness me no, perish the very thought, it was extremely well thought out and very useful. 'onest guv.

The wonderful orange zone guff was an idea by somebody with no involvement in Chapter 8, or TTM (come to thing about it any engineering knowledge). The only thing which was adopted was JTR which would have been authorised anyway. One of the project managers who got landed with it to finish off has a 'gap' in his CV!

The %age complete 'sign' is considered to be billboard and not a traffic sign; if you believe that you believe anything!

[Conekicker]

HE like to create strange signs for roadworks, reminds me of these stupid things when the A21 was widened:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1807424 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.180642, ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1791449 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1757217 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1624745 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1586347 ... ?entry=ttu

At least the percentage sign gives drivers some vaguely useful information.

Ah yes, the orange cone zone debacle, which most certainly was NOT an eye-wateringly expensive waste of the public purse, dreamed up by certain persons at HA charged with "improving the customer experience", whatever that load of sphericals is supposed to mean.

Goodness me no, perish the very thought, it was extremely well thought out and very useful. 'onest guv.

The wonderful orange zone guff was an idea by somebody with no involvement in Chapter 8, or TTM (come to thing about it any engineering knowledge). The only thing which was adopted was JTR which would have been authorised anyway. One of the project managers who got landed with it to finish off has a 'gap' in his CV!

The %age complete 'sign' is considered to be billboard and not a traffic sign; if you believe that you believe anything!

As I recall, the orange nonsense was also considered to be billboards. And not a waste of money. Nosireebob.

"My daddy/mummy works here" - someone pass me a bucket quick!

[SteelCamel]

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1791449 ... ?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1586347 ... ?entry=ttu

Hmm, that would appear to be a paradox...

[Chris5156]

Been doing these gimmicks for years now. Not prescribed in the slightest so be interesting to see what authority they're placed under and what risk assessments have been undertaken for changing the progress bar.

The M4 Smart Motorway Preparing for Digital Highways works had these. They stayed blank for most of the project and were, I think, updated once, about a year before the work finished. They certainly never gave you any meaningful idea how far work had progressed.

[Bryn666]

Been doing these gimmicks for years now. Not prescribed in the slightest so be interesting to see what authority they're placed under and what risk assessments have been undertaken for changing the progress bar.

The M4 Smart Motorway Preparing for Digital Highways works had these. They stayed blank for most of the project and were, I think, updated once, about a year before the work finished. They certainly never gave you any meaningful idea how far work had progressed.

Jobs for the boys though. And people wonder why I have such contempt for our strategic road "overlords".

[qwertyK]

Ah yes, the orange cone zone debacle, which most certainly was NOT an eye-wateringly expensive waste of the public purse, dreamed up by certain persons at HA charged with "improving the customer experience", whatever that load of sphericals is supposed to mean.

Goodness me no, perish the very thought, it was extremely well thought out and very useful. 'onest guv.

The wonderful orange zone guff was an idea by somebody with no involvement in Chapter 8, or TTM (come to thing about it any engineering knowledge). The only thing which was adopted was JTR which would have been authorised anyway. One of the project managers who got landed with it to finish off has a 'gap' in his CV!

The %age complete 'sign' is considered to be billboard and not a traffic sign; if you believe that you believe anything!

As I recall, the orange nonsense was also considered to be billboards. And not a waste of money. Nosireebob.

"My daddy/mummy works here" - someone pass me a bucket quick!

Not just NH but I routinely see signs from the local council saying "CCTV in operation", and the logo of the local police warning about abuse etc.

[MotorwayGuy]

The wonderful orange zone guff was an idea by somebody with no involvement in Chapter 8, or TTM (come to thing about it any engineering knowledge). The only thing which was adopted was JTR which would have been authorised anyway. One of the project managers who got landed with it to finish off has a 'gap' in his CV!

The %age complete 'sign' is considered to be billboard and not a traffic sign; if you believe that you believe anything!

As I recall, the orange nonsense was also considered to be billboards. And not a waste of money. Nosireebob.

"My daddy/mummy works here" - someone pass me a bucket quick!

Not just NH but I routinely see signs from the local council saying "CCTV in operation", and the logo of the local police warning about abuse etc.

If CCTV signs were banned, they could do what MSAs did and rename themselves... Halifax Protected by CCTV seems like a nice place to live.

[Herned]

Percentage of what? Scheduled time? Expected working hours? Materials shifted?

[Big L]

I'm sure I've seen an electronic percentage complete sign on some roadworks somewhere recently, quite possibly on my most recent return trip from Scotland, likely on the M6 somewhere. At least with an electronic sign the percentage can be updated remotely.

There are barrier works at Carlisle that certainly have an electronic progress sign on the northbound side. 23% at the moment.

[owen b]

I'm sure I've seen an electronic percentage complete sign on some roadworks somewhere recently, quite possibly on my most recent return trip from Scotland, likely on the M6 somewhere. At least with an electronic sign the percentage can be updated remotely.

There are barrier works at Carlisle that certainly have an electronic progress sign on the northbound side. 23% at the moment.

Thanks . That'll be the sign I saw. I remember the percentage was quite low when I passed.

[Bryn666]

As I recall, the orange nonsense was also considered to be billboards. And not a waste of money. Nosireebob.

"My daddy/mummy works here" - someone pass me a bucket quick!

Not just NH but I routinely see signs from the local council saying "CCTV in operation", and the logo of the local police warning about abuse etc.

If CCTV signs were banned, they could do what MSAs did and rename themselves... Halifax Protected by CCTV seems like a nice place to live.

CCTV signs are a legal requirement under data protection rules. They're not traffic signs.