[USA] The Interstate Yellow Book

[luchar]

Does anyone know if there is a website presenting scans of the WHOLE Interstate Yellow Book, published in the 60s by the Federal Bureau of Roads and presenting the various Interstate projects across the country. I have searched but haven't found something complete.

Thanks.

[M1]

Not sure of a website, though a good place if you are interested would be http://www.interstate-guide.com

[luchar]

Thanks for the link, but there's nothing on the Yellow Book...

[J N Winkler]

Does anyone know if there is a website presenting scans of the WHOLE Interstate Yellow Book, published in the 60s by the Federal Bureau of Roads and presenting the various Interstate projects across the country. I have searched but haven't found something complete.

The only "Yellow Book" I know of was published in the late 1940's or 1950's and contains a national network map for the Interstates plus maps of Interstate routings in major cities. Adam Froehlig has scanned all of the city maps and put them online. I think the owners of Roadfan.com (Marc Fannin and Sandor Gulyas) have this and other Yellow Book material on their website.

Could you give us a better idea of what you are looking for which is not online?

P.S. Have you run a Google Groups search on "Yellow Book" in misc.transport.road?

[luchar]

Yeah, sorry, it was in the 50s.

I didn't know about the misc.transport group. How do you access it?

I was just wandering if there was any text going with the maps, and also if there were state-wide maps within the book (and not just city maps). I am essentially looking about the aborted Interstate projects in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York State and City, Rhode Island, and Connecticut (Boston and so).

I also just found that website I hadn't seen before:
http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/yellowbook/

[mistral]

I also just found that website I hadn't seen before:
http://www.ajfroggie.com/roads/yellowbook/

If you want to discuss it further with him, he's one of the regulars in the #roadgeek chatroom on irc.zuh.net. He's usually around 3 or 4 days a week between 23.00 and 02.00 British time/18.00 to 21.00 Eastern.

[J N Winkler]

I didn't know about the misc.transport group. How do you access it?

I was just wandering if there was any text going with the maps, and also if there were state-wide maps within the book (and not just city maps). I am essentially looking about the aborted Interstate projects in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York State and City, Rhode Island, and Connecticut (Boston and so).[/url]

I don't think there have been any transcriptions of the "Yellow Book" text which have been put online--but I could easily be wrong. There are regular contributors to misc.transport.road who will know.

Misc.transport.road is an Usenet newsgroup (unmoderated). Ordinarily you access it by using your E-mail client as a newsreader. However, Google Groups provides a fairly comprehensive archive and a Web interface for posting. Graham (posting in this thread as Mistral) has been a regular in the past, and I post under argatlam_roads@yahoo.com.mx (changed from argatlam@my-deja.com about six months ago). Well over 90% of the regulars in M.T.R. are American, so discussion tends to focus on road developments in the U.S.A., but there are several people who track developments internationally and the F.A.Q. does contain very basic information on British roads.

[luchar]

Someone knows if I-99 in Penn has been yet completed?
Also about the upgrade of NY-17, which runs along the southern state border of New York, into Interstate standard (I-8*)

[mistral]

Someone knows if I-99 in Penn has been yet completed?Also about the upgrade of NY-17, which runs along the southern state border of New York, into Interstate standard (I-86)

I-99 and I-86. These are both decent places to start looking.

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LINE A : Central stops at Kings Cross St Pancras, Farringdon, City, Blackfriars.

St Albans - Streatham - Wimbledon - Sutton and return. (4tph)
St.Albans - Streatham - Sutton - Wimbledon and return. (4tph)
St Albans - Streatham - West Croydon - Sutton - Epsom Downs (4tph)
Luton - St Albans -London Bridge - East Croydon - Redhill - Reigate (4tph)
Bedford - Luton - St Albans - London Bridge - East Croydon - Redhill - Gatwick Airport (4tph)
Kings Lynn - Cambridge -
Cambridge - Stevenage -
Peterborough - Huntingdon - Stevenage -
Huntingdon - Stevenage -

Total Suburban Frequency (TSF) in central tunnel : 28tph

LINE B : Central stops at Shoreditch, Liverpool Street, Farringdon, Tottenham Court Road, Bond Street, Paddington.

Greenford - Ealing Broadway - Stratford - Romford - Upminster (6tph)
Maidenhead - Slough - Ealing Broadway - Stratford - Shenfield (6tph)
Heathrow T5 - Ealing Broadway - Stratford - Shenfield (6tph)
Heathrow T4 - Ealing Broadway - Canary Wharf - Abbey Wood (6tph)
Windsor and Eton Central - Slough - Ealing Broadway - Canary Wharf - Abbey Wood (6tph)

TSF in central tunnel : 30tph

LINE C : Marylebone, Bond Street, Green Park, Victoria.

Watford Junction - Moor Park - Herne Hill - Beckenham Junction - Bromley South - Orpington (6tph)
Gerrards Cross - Wembley Stadium - Catford - Bromley South - Orpington (6tph)
Chesham - Moor Park - Bromley South - Otford - Sevenoaks (6tph)
Aylesbury - Amersham - Moor Park -
Amersham - Moor Park - Beckenham Junction - Bromley South - Orpington - Sevenoaks (6tph)

TSF in central tunnel : 30tph

LINE D : Stopping at Old Street, Moorgate, Bank, London Bridge

Stevenage - Hertford North - (4tph)
Hertford North - (4tph)
Gordon Hill -
Stevenage - Welwyn Garden City - (6tph)
Welwyn Garden City - West Croydon (6tph)

TSF in central tunnel : 24tph


LINE E : Stopping at Liverpool Street, Bank, Blackfriars, Waterloo

Chingford -
Enfield Town - Woking (4tph, semifast beyond Waterloo)
Hertford East -
Cheshunt -
Cheshunt -

TSF in central tunnel : 12tph


LINE F : Stopping at Fenchurch Street, Bank, Blackfriars, Waterloo

Chessington - Grays (3tph via Rainham)
Effingham Junction - Grays (3tph via Epsom and Upminster)
TSF in central tunnel : 6tph

LINE G : Stopping at Waterloo, London Bridge

Hampton Court - Dartford (3tph, via Sidcup)
Effinham Junction - Dartford (3tph via Surbiton and Bexleyheath)
Staines - Dartford (3tph via Richmond and Woolwich; possibly some trains
continuing to Weybridge; semifast west of Clapham Junction)
Windsor Riverside - Slade Green loop (4tph, via Hounslow; 2tph in each
direction around loop; semifast west of Clapham Junction)
Kingston loop - Bromley North / Hayes (3tph each direction on loop; 4tph to
Hayes, 2tph to Bromley)
Hounslow loop - Orpington (via Ladywell) (2tph in each direction on loop)
TSF : 23tph (but probably 28tph including some route E trains from Cannon
Street bridge to London Bridge station)


ORBITAL ROUTES : (ideally to be taken by LUL)
"NORTH LONDON LINE" : Barking - Gospel Oak - Willesden Junction - Richmond
(3tph)
"ORBITAL ROUTE / OUTER CIRCLE" : H&I - Shadwell - Peckham - Clapham J -
Willesden J - H&I (4tph in each direction)
"NORTH EAST LONDON LINE" : H&I .- Stratford - North Woolwich (or Woolwich
Arsenal and Abbey Wood, should the tunnel be built) (3tph)


The Windsor Central - Slough line could be connected by flyover to line B; the
Watford - St Albans line could be connected similarly to line C, to provide
through services.


With these lines, all passenger routes in Greater London would be connected to
either the city (or nearby, eg London Bridge) or the West End directly; tube
lines would also be relieved somewhat (B = Central, D = Northern [Bank], F =
District, G = Jubilee Southbank). The Waterloo and City line would become
redundant, since and extended version of its route would be taken by lines E
and F. It could either form part of the new tunnels, or be abandoned. (Is there
anyway to use a redundant tube line?)


The following new connections would be useful (all have either been proposed,
or would be reasonably simple) :
Old Oak (replacing North Acton, connecting the Central, line B and the North
London)
White City (H&C platforms)
Hackney (connecting Downs / Central)
Brixton (ELL platforms)
Park Royal (Central platforms)
Loughborough Junction (ELL platforms)
Tuffnell Park (orbital route platforms)
Walthamstow (connecting Central / Queens Road)
Battersea (possibly difficult to create, but connecting Park / Queenstown
Road; possibly a major connection replacing Clapham Junction, as John Rowland
has suggested)
Brockley (platforms on the London Bridge lines)
Sudbury Hill (not a single station, merely signposts and a strategic renaming)
Bow (ditto)
Forest Gate (and again)
Catford (connecting the two stations)
Shepherd's Bush Green (orbital platforms)
Chiswick Park (replacing existing station and South Acton, to connect NLL with
underground)


The following stations could also be renamed to avoid confusion :
(Cal. Rd. &) Barnsbury
Bethnal Green West (line E / WAGN)
Acton Horn Lane (Main Line)
Clapham North (High Street)
(Finchley Road and) Frognal


Tulse Hill could be moved south west across the road to form a major suburban
interchange. (This has not been included on the map)


Some regional and intercity services would also serve these new tunnels,
allowing, for example, Eurostar services to Scotland through the City. (These
would only stop at major suburban stations). Others would continue to terminate
at main line stations. These would also be used for extra rush hour services.
(Charing Cross would remain as such a terminus). Unneeded platforms at these
stations could either be used as depots, or sold off as retail space.


The Heathrow express and probably the St Pancras-Heathrow route, would continue
to run.