Italian Motorways

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 16:59

Hello everyone,

As a regular "guest" visitor to the site, me and my geeky interest in roads has tempted me to embark on a project to fill up the "Italian Autostrade" section of the Wiki... (As I live in Italy).

I hope it's appropriate and of interest to everyone - any help is of course appreciated!

Of course there is also the exciting prospect of the first section of the A36 "Autostrada Pedemontana Lombarda" opening before the end of the year - I hope to get some interesting pictures soon - the junctions are completed and the signs already in place...

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 17:46

mikewhitcombe wrote:I hope it's appropriate and of interest to everyone - any help is of course appreciated!

Of course there is also the exciting prospect of the first section of the A36 "Autostrada Pedemontana Lombarda" opening....

Buonasera, Mike!

It is definitely appropriate and of very high interest. I am a massive fan of Italian autostrade (see my A35 thread). I will keep my eyes open for your pics.

Currently planning my fifth drive to Sardegna for Xmas/Capo d'anno....

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 09:21

OK, that's grand! I'll try and get some more information relevant to you up in the meantime, then

The first step is complete: read all about the A1 here:

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/inde ... A1_(Italy)

Trebeck · Post by **Trebeck** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:03

What is the Italian motorway that uses an old alignment as access to a service station?

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:35

Trebeck wrote:What is the Italian motorway that uses an old alignment as access to a service station?

Sounds like it might be the Area di Servizio Assago Ovest on the A50 Milan Western Ring Road...

https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.40110 ... 2&t=m&z=17

Trebeck · Post by **Trebeck** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:45

mikewhitcombe wrote:
Trebeck wrote:What is the Italian motorway that uses an old alignment as access to a service station?
Sounds like it might be the Area di Servizio Assago Ovest on the A50 Milan Western Ring Road...

https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=45.40110 ... 2&t=m&z=17

Doesn't seem to be, the one I'm thinking of is almost perpendicular to the new mainline, with a U shape of the old alignment carraigeways.

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 15:01

That'll be this one then...

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/vie ... =7&t=32471

multiraider2 · Post by **multiraider2** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 18:06

I stayed with my wife at the Holiday Inn in the Area di Servizio Assago Ovest for 6 nights in 2003. My sister-in-law and mother-in-law live nearby in Buccinasco/Assago.

In one of my poorest navigational shows, I somehow got it into my head from the map I had, that the overbridge there was a one way exit from the hotel/service station and I spent the whole time daily navigating back to Junction 6 of the Tangenziale rather than using the nearest route via the A7 and its deformed cloverleaf junction with the ring road. It was only when I was filling up at the service station to leave for the UK that I realised my error.

I blame my sister-in-law though as she is local and didn't tell me I was stupid when asking to follow her via the complicated route. I also didn't have access to the detailed online maping and satellite images now available.

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 19:42

multiraider2 wrote:I stayed with my wife at the Holiday Inn in the Area di Servizio Assago Ovest for 6 nights in 2003. My sister-in-law and mother-in-law live nearby in Buccinasco/Assago.

In one of my poorest navigational shows, I somehow got it into my head from the map I had, that the overbridge there was a one way exit from the hotel/service station and I spent the whole time daily navigating back to Junction 6 of the Tangenziale rather than using the nearest route via the A7 and its deformed cloverleaf junction with the ring road. It was only when I was filling up at the service station to leave for the UK that I realised my error.

I blame my sister-in-law though as she is local and didn't tell me I was stupid when asking to follow her via the complicated route. I also didn't have access to the detailed online maping and satellite images now available.

To be fair, it is a rather poorly-designed service area - especially as you have to go to the far end, chuck a U-Turn around the car park, and double back over the entrance road to access the car park. In theory. As the usual Italian attitude is "There is a rule, but it puts me out too much, so I am going to ignore it" most people make a sharp right turn and jump the queue...

Trebeck · Post by **Trebeck** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:23

mikewhitcombe wrote:That'll be this one then...

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/vie ... =7&t=32471

The very one!

A good example of restricting waste, why build another when the services is already there!

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 08:35

OK - the A3 is almost done.

Would folks prefer the junctions listed as a fancy "Wikipedia-style" table in the main article or as a part of the sidebar as I did for the A1?

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:01

mikewhitcombe wrote:OK - the A3 is almost done.

Would folks prefer the junctions listed as a fancy "Wikipedia-style" table in the main article or as a part of the sidebar as I did for the A1?

I've just looked at your A1 page and it is excellent, Mike.

If I were you, I'd stick with the same format for all of them. The A1 page looks perfect to me

[Getting excited about my impending winter drive to Sardinia!]

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 13:52

Owain wrote:
mikewhitcombe wrote:OK - the A3 is almost done.

Would folks prefer the junctions listed as a fancy "Wikipedia-style" table in the main article or as a part of the sidebar as I did for the A1?
I've just looked at your A1 page and it is excellent, Mike.

If I were you, I'd stick with the same format for all of them. The A1 page looks perfect to me

[Getting excited about my impending winter drive to Sardinia!]

Thanks, Owain!

The alternative is the layoutI've just completed for the A4 - which is a (major) re-hash of what is on Wikipedia... http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/inde ... A4_(Italy) - which I think I prefer, actually...

Ritchie333 · Post by **Ritchie333** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 14:03

I hate those "Route detail" things on Wikipedia - they consume huge amounts of real estate showing you what a map already does, only as text. If you want to see where a road goes - use a map! (See that menu entry between "Wiki" and "Society"

). A CBRD-esque strip map on the side away from the prose is the way to go.

(PS: Here is some background reading)

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 14:19

Ritchie333 wrote:I hate those "Route detail" things on Wikipedia - they consume huge amounts of real estate showing you what a map already does, only as text. If you want to see where a road goes - use a map! (See that menu entry between "Wiki" and "Society" ). A CBRD-esque strip map on the side away from the prose is the way to go.

(PS: Here is some background reading)

Oh, all right

I would say however that the "Junction List" code in the Routebox does look messy when the Junctions are the names of the places they serve rather than numbers... As Italian junctions aren't generally numbered (except for Ring Roads) it doesn't look all that good, in my opinion. Perhaps we could come up with a good compromise solution?

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 09:47

I hadn't seen the A4 page. I like it. Whichever you choose, Mike, I think it would make sense to present them all the same.

si404 · Post by **si404** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 13:54

I don't like the wikipedia-esque layout - it looks like we're copying them.

mikewhitcombe wrote:I would say however that the "Junction List" code in the Routebox does look messy when the Junctions are the names of the places they serve rather than numbers...

No they don't - see A1/Peterborough - Blyth.

The A1 (Italy) idea of saying where they serve looks wrong, but not because the junctions have names. Keep to a northbound/southbound list of roads in those second and third columns.

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 14:14

si404 wrote:I don't like the wikipedia-esque layout - it looks like we're copying them.
mikewhitcombe wrote:I would say however that the "Junction List" code in the Routebox does look messy when the Junctions are the names of the places they serve rather than numbers...
No they don't - see A1/Peterborough - Blyth.

The A1 (Italy) idea of saying where they serve looks wrong, but not because the junctions have names. Keep to a northbound/southbound list of roads in those second and third columns.

OK - I'll work on it - however the junctions do not always lead to a numbered road... You think that Italians are as organised as that???!

Owain · Post by **Owain** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 21:33

mikewhitcombe wrote:OK - I'll work on it - however the junctions do not always lead to a numbered road... You think that Italians are as organised as that???!

Isn't every road numbered in Italy, like France? SP, SR, SS? It's just that the numbers don't always show on the maps?

mikewhitcombe · Post by **mikewhitcombe** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 08:16

Owain wrote:
mikewhitcombe wrote:OK - I'll work on it - however the junctions do not always lead to a numbered road... You think that Italians are as organised as that???!
Isn't every road numbered in Italy, like France? SP, SR, SS? It's just that the numbers don't always show on the maps?

Theoretically - but they are sometimes rather complicated - e.g. "SS724 Tangenziale Nord di Modena e diramazione per Sassuolo", which is distinct from the SS724 proper...

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